A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[h20power]

Thanks Ramset as what you said is truly what stand up men say. But as I wrote these people are not playing with a full deck of cards, they'er sick, and they need mental help. They are insane and their method of experimentation proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like this Arm guy, zero experiments but all the answers, and all he needs is $6000 to make it all happen. They do nothing and after all these years since my time on Ionizationx before I got banned the first time this sick man still has absolutely nothing to show for over 7-8 years of work. No prototype, no high voltage, not even a properly built cell, transformer, or driving circuit, nope people like him have nothing at all but a sick mind that needs professional help as they are sick.


When I spoke with Dr. Dingle I took a different tact in that I didn't ask him for anything and instead told him what I had figured out about this water for fuel technology at that time in my research. It took him by surprise and he opened up to me just a little bit even offered me a ride in his car when I went to the Philippines in 2010. I really enjoyed the talks we had together as he explained how it all began for him to me. My wife had to translate for me at times as I couldn't understand him for his ascent was on the heavy side. He told me many interesting stories about his life and I am just glad to have had a chance to know such a wonderful man whom only wanted to better the lives of his people.


I really wont respond to this Arm guy again as I recognize he needs professional help as it's clear he ain't all there. I'd be willing to bet if I didn't have all this military training he's the type of person that would make an attempt on my life just so he can save face in front of people that truly despise him. He performs all of his experiments in his head and probably even makes experimental observations never leaving the seat of his chair or taking his hands off of his keyboard. Nope he just sits in front of his computer trying to dream up new and inventive ways to get rich even if it means he has to scam a few rich guys to do it. I truly feel sorry for him as 7-8 years is a long time to hold a grudge on just a theory that has gone unproven by him. All he truly has is a mind that is in the need of professional help.


When he hears that I actually did what some people thought was impossible, IE, actually putting a high voltage potential difference directly to a cell filled with water he gets all bent out of shape instead of happy that at least someone is making actual progress in the right direction according to Meyer's own statements of the actual working conditions for this technology. But I thank you Ramset for your kind words of support as they come at a time when all the hacks seem to be gunning for me to fail as they are throwing in the towel on this technology and want no one left behind that will contradict anything they have left behind. This technology is both simple and complex at the same time as some of its concepts are new to the world of science and others are old and well known. You don't have to worry about me as I truly don't pay people like him any mind as I understand their minds are operating with diminished capacities probably due to something in the water or being dropped on their heads when they were babies.


I'll keep at it as I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now, plus I have come too far to turn back now. So many R&D test under my belt do I have now in learning how to get the voltages up with these VIC transformers. So many failed experimental trials but with each and every failure I learned more about this technology as I kept asking and answering questions by way of actual hands on experimentation just as the scientific method has us to do. I can be wrong 1000 plus times but I only have to be right once.
Again thanks for the support as it is much appreciated.

[pomodoro]

This beef is between me and H2Opower, step aside.

This man challenged me on a forum 7 years ago, now he must pay.

He tried to belittle the importance of Stephen Meyers, that cannot go unpunished.

You, Sir, are either crazy, or know how to dish out some fn  good dark humor.

[h20power]

You, Sir, are either crazy, or know how to dish out some fn  good dark humor.

Pomodoro I don't think he is all there as if his theories where heading in the right direction he'd be willing to invest his monies on himself instead of openly desiring to use other peoples money. My question to him would be, "If you aren't willing to invest in yourself why should others be willing to invest in you?"


As for you Pomodoro I hope you understand my comments above as I just wanted to let you know I haven't reached Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology yet as I am still failing to learn. But with each failure I learn more about this technology. I do understand that it works by way of "Ionization" which gives me something that we do understand, like an air ionizer, to compare it too. I understand that if I take an air ionizer and don't provide enough voltage to it too reach the ionization threshold for the oxygen atoms that make up the oxygen molecules the device will not produce any ozone. So, if I don't reach Meyer's stated voltages that this technology works at then I shouldn't expect any gas production and my experiments do in fact show this to be the case right now.


If I swing the waveform out of resonance it will start to produce some gas but when I put it back in resonance the gas production stops as there is no more current flowing through the water bath. At 9.4kv the current flowing through the water bath was just 0.6 mA. I let it run for two days straight taking temperature readings and I found out that the transformer will get a bit warm even hot but the exciter array will just follow the temperatures of the day in these conditions. Since I didn't reach Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology it was back to the drawing board for me as clearly I wasn't doing something right for I wasn't reaching the correct voltages. I understand that not until I reach these voltages can I say and/or know if Meyer was telling the truth or not. Based on my experiments I can say that one can place a high voltage potential to the water molecules with Meyer's voltage intensifier circuit but beyond that I can say one way or the other if the technology truly works or not. It would seem Meyer was telling the truth thus far but since I haven't reached those voltages he states are to be the working conditions for this technology I simply don't know for sure if this technology will work or not as I am a bit far off from Meyer's stated maximum voltage of 20kv being placed on the exciter array. But from what I have seen I believe him but to be sure that he is telling the truth I just have to reach those stated working condition voltages for this technology. We all do as until one of us actually reaches these voltage we haven't a pot or a window to throw it out of concerning if this technology works or not.


Based on the science I have uncovered about this technology I believe it will work but if I fail to reach these voltages I hope someone out their will figure out what I failed too do to reach those high voltage potentials being applied to the water molecules. Like I said I can be wrong a 1000 plus times but I only need to be right once and this holds true for each and everyone of us working on this technology.

[Grumage]

Dear h20power.

May I ask a simple question?

I spent nigh on 2 decades with the supply industry (UK) involved with HV distribution. Our voltages were 33 and 11 KV.

Is it the frequencies that are causing your problems? All our transformers and switchgear worked faultlessly using Transformer oil as an insulant, obviously at 50 HZ.

Kind regards, Graham.

[Dog-One]

Using logic (the basis of the scientific method as I understand it), we have some knowns and unknowns.

Right now Ed is able to achieve a 9400 volt potential difference across his resonant cavity (10 cells).  We
think something in excess of 10000 volts is necessary--1000 volts per cell.

Without changing anything else but the cell count, what happens when you apply the VIC across nine cells?

What happens when you apply the VIC across eleven cells?

These two tests are what I would consider testable experiments.  My hypothesis is the voltage should drop
in both cases because ten cells are as close to tuned to the VIC as is currently possible.  My curiosity comes
into play if for either one of the two tests above, my hypothesis is incorrect.  If voltage goes up with one
more cell or one less cell, then we know with pretty good assurance the VIC is not tuned where we thought
it actually was.  The answer to this takes us to another step--do we modify the VIC or do we instead,
modify the dimensions of the cells in the exciter array.

The third option is what happens if the voltage goes higher with nine cells and eleven cells?  Indicating
that ten cells is actually the poorest tuned arrangement.


Anyway, if what I have just laid out is not the principal of the scientific method, then I'm at a loss as
to what this method actually is.