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Confirmation of OU devices and claims

Started by tinman, November 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM

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gyulasun

Hi Itsu,

Yes, your conclusions are correct, many thanks for doing the tests. The variation in field strength to explain
the change in brightness for the stacked coils was also a possible option (and the EM field surely changes
with the satellite coils height but not significantly in this present setup).   

Your 3 satellite coils surely have a high unloaded Q, hence their loaded Q may still remain high when the load
is a nonlinear one like a LED bulb. 

If their loaded Q remains say 60, the 3 dB bandwidth (B) of the receiving LC tanks would be B = 180 kHz/60 = 3 kHz 
so no wonder that a 10-13 kHz shift in resonance due to the stacked (closely coupled) position there was no enough
induced energy available in them to light the LEDs, the coils got offtuned.   

Gyula 

a.king21

Quote from: gyulasun on July 01, 2019, 06:45:05 PM
Hi Itsu,

Yes, your conclusions are correct, many thanks for doing the tests. The variation in field strength to explain
the change in brightness for the stacked coils was also a possible option (and the EM field surely changes
with the satellite coils height but not significantly in this present setup).   

Your 3 satellite coils surely have a high unloaded Q, hence their loaded Q may still remain high when the load
is a nonlinear one like a LED bulb. 

If their loaded Q remains say 60, the 3 dB bandwidth (B) of the receiving LC tanks would be B = 180 kHz/60 = 3 kHz 
so no wonder that a 10-13 kHz shift in resonance due to the stacked (closely coupled) position there was no enough
induced energy available in them to light the LEDs, the coils got offtuned.   

Gyula
At last!  that's why I use a tuning method.  Have another look at my pics and you'll see I use a ferrite rod (as used in early crystal sets) to re-tune the coils. They can be re-tuned in a couple of seconds.  I was waiting for your results to see if I was correct or if there was something else going on.

itsu


Gyula,

ok,  so all "effects" seen are still within the normal to be expected results.

Just thinking out loud here, but could this split resonance point during (over)coupling cause some kind of avalanche effect?



A.king21,

so you have every coil (how many?) (re)tuned via a ferrite rod?
I have 8 coils right now, that are many rods already, let alone when using hundreds of coils.


Itsu

gyulasun

Hi Itsu,

Well, the split resonance point found due to the mutual coupling sounds an unwanted situation here because
it represents offtuned satellite LC circuits.  The goal is tuning all coupled LC circuits to the same resonant frequency.
I do not know whether 'avalanche effect' may come about under the split resonance case, have never heard about
such with mutually coupled LC circuits, not even with carefully adjusted ones which are tuned exactly to the same
resonant frequency. 
Claims like 'sympathetic resonance' or 'phase conjugate mirroring' ought to be proved to bring extra output energy
in this TX-RX resonant LC circuits discussed here.  Of course, nothing can be proved via the web or by videos...  ::)
Gyula

AlienGrey

Quote from: gyulasun on July 02, 2019, 04:28:19 AM
Hi Itsu,

Well, the split resonance point found due to the mutual coupling sounds an unwanted situation here because
it represents off tuned satellite LC circuits.  The goal is tuning all coupled LC circuits to the same resonant frequency.
I do not know whether 'avalanche effect' may come about under the split resonance case, have never heard about
such with mutually coupled LC circuits, not even with carefully adjusted ones which are tuned exactly to the same
resonant frequency. 
Claims like 'sympathetic resonance' or 'phase conjugate mirroring' ought to be proved to bring extra output energy
in this TX-RX resonant LC circuits discussed here.  Of course, nothing can be proved via the web or by videos...  ::)
Gyula
Gyula I'm not so sure about that, as being true, My dear friend Nelson Rocha has clearly really excelled in that
field and one or two others know or knew a thing or two one being Adrian Guska and others I#m told are no longer with us thanks to those from the dark side. The question is will we all drown in a sea of melted polar ice and permafrost
or will we permanently destroy everything living with atomic radiation before DISCLOSURE occurs?