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Confirmation of OU devices and claims

Started by tinman, November 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM

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AlienGrey

gut nach mittag gentlemen
have you ever noticed if the wire a coils length out stretched is it's wave length , spacing the winds
allows you to tune the coil to it's wave length if you wound it with 1mm wire then to tune it (for the sake of argument), you wouldn't think Tesla's idea of using the same weight in wire if you were tuning it to a 1/2 or 1/4 might be important do you do this as well as in it's wave length.
so ist das Leben.


AG

NickZ

Quote from: rickfriedrich on July 09, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Nick, this is a very important question you ask. I'm glad you are finally beginning to realize this. Now we have some progress towards the beginning steps here.  ;D Once you guys can see, by experience, that you can have many coils with loads placed all around the transmitter, and which only lower the input power, then the cat is out of the bag. At that point you can begin to start on a Don Smith system. Then you can go back and read what I have shared and you will see that I was just trying to help you guys. Once you can understand that the magnetic flux can have multiple passes through many external coils then you will be more ready to see how you can have the flux multiply in L2 with quarter wave length, etc. The multi coil system is but an easy way to see how you can multiply the output without any serious fine tuning. Now if you can't find any benefit in that then you may as well throw in the towel because the real deal with the L1 L2 will be more difficult to learn.

   
   Rich: Just so you know. I have never doubted you, or your shown devices.
   However, none of this is new for me, nor am I afraid of using higher power inputs, and looping the output back to the input.
I have been doing that for years.   I don't remember seeing any recent schematics of your solid state device that are similar to what you would like to see us build.And similar to what a.21 and itsu are trying to replicate,  to see for themselves if what you are trying tell us can be replicated.
   Maybe you can upload a recent diagram or schematic of your device. As otherwise, we can only guess at what you are doing and how your are doing it. Which can be part of the problem with building your type of replication.   I have not followed this thread from the start, just after I saw itsu going at it. So, I don't know all the facts concerning this or your type of build. Therefore, can you provide a schematic, if you have done so already, just repost it, please.
   If interested, here is a link to one of my Dr. Stiffler "diode loop" tests. https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc
   My YouTube channel is under my name, Nick Zec. There you can see some devices that I've worked on over the years.
   And yes, my on going goal is to build a self running solid state device, that is useful, for me. I'm not interested commercializing it in any way. Nor am I any kind of troll, nor someone against free energy, just for the record.

gyulasun

Hi Nick,

The many receiver antennas for a radio station are usually located far from the broadcast TX antenna wavelength wise.
One full wavelength for a long wave (LW) station at say 200 kHz is 1500 m, for a medium wave (MW) station at say 1 MHz
is 300 meter. So most receivers receive the so called far field of the TX antenna, many wavelength away from it and the electromagnetic
coupling between the many RX and a single TX antenna can only be negligibly small.  This involves little overall power loss in
the TX antenna. One more thing: the received power in a ferrite antenna inside an AM portable radio for instance is but a few microwatts, the mixer and amplifier stages boost up this tiny level thousands time to drive a some hundred mW loudspeaker,
using the battery power in the radio. All in all, the overall reflected load to the TX antenna from the many receivers is small.

However, when the RX antennas are close to the TX antenna, in the so called near field of the latter, within say a wavelength
(this is mostly an unlikely situation for broadcast stations) the mutual coupling can greatly increase hence the TX power is
influenced more and more. The power output of the radio station may get reduced. Notice though there can be control circuits
to increase the output as a compensation to maintain nominal output, at the price of increased input power to the transmitter.
There were people tapping nearby broadcast station by erecting big sized antennas and used the received energy for feeding incandescent lamps back in the 20s and 30s, they were punished for stealing energy if they got caught. One reason broadcast antennas are not readily built very close to densely populated areas (other reason would be the very high near field radiation
harmful to humans, animals etc).
In the present setup discussed here the receiver coils are very close to the TX coil, within a small fraction of a wavelength.
This inherently involves mutual coupling not only between the TX and RX coils but between the RX coils too. So basically adding
more and more receiver coils would demand more TX power if the TX (antenna) circuit were a parallel LC circuit. But the TX circuit here is a series LC circuit driven from a function generator or from a gate driver IC. 
Consider the impedance behaviour of parallel LC and series LC circuits in the function of frequency.
Will continue later.  If you have questions so far, please ask.
Gyula

rickfriedrich

Videos and pictures cannot properly show lighting as the camera adjusts accordingly. Also the nature of the pulsing phasing has to be considered when there is no smoothing capacitor.

Quote from: a.king21 on July 10, 2019, 08:11:47 AM
So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

rickfriedrich

Yes all these things are to be considered as part of the experiments in the book. It is not my object to spoon feed students. That way they can discover other things that maybe no one has figured out yet. Depending on how you position the coils you can place hundreds of them around the primary (preferably at the 1.25MHz frequency) without drawing more from the input and while actually reducing it. And it is true that you can also do that wrong and decrease the loads while doing that. "Wrong" is relative to what you want to do. It took me 5 minutes to position all my coils around for that video. There was no attempt to tune for ideal positions. Would take a few hours to do that. But at the meeting I also showed how you can position the coils all around, which includes above and below the open sides of the primary.

Quote from: partzman on July 10, 2019, 09:00:58 AM
Oh it's not being ignored!  It is an observed effect which warrants a more complete investigation and analysis.

I would like to point out something about Rick's coupled coil arrangement that he has not disclosed so perhaps he is not aware of it and that is, with the transmitter and receiver coils placed horizontally on a flat surface with all axis vertical, the mutual coupling M is negative between the coils.  Thus the K factor is negative.  This can be easily demonstrated on the bench with two coils while maintaining the proper dot relationship.

If however, the receiver coil is now raised off the surface and moved closer to a position so as to be above the transmitter coil, the mutual coupling will move from the negative value through zero, then to a positive value.

Why is this important you ask?  Well, in Itsu's video, the two vertically stacked receiver coils have a positive mutual coupling to each other while combined in reference to the transmitter coil, they have a negative mutual coupling.

Now the so called 'relay' coil is inserted in a horizontal plane affecting the resultant power out and power in through observation.  So the question is, what is the resultant coupling between the coils in this arrangement and why does it increase the impedance of the series resonant transmitter circuit and increase the output?

Regards,
Pm