Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[partzman]

P,
I appreciate your suggestion. I'll make a few points as a response:

1. While it is true that LABs are really more complicated that people realize, it is also true that people can experience free energy with them without really knowing all the details mentioned. You guys are only after one kind of system that is self-running. That is fine, but you need to appreciate first something less than that, that is very easy. A claim that is easier to verify is a fan charging another battery while it is running. All the energy is used up in the Kirchhoff loop and the excess is free energy. I know that is old news, but skeptics don't want to admit that.

2. Yes I know many ways to do OU but I will not get into most of them because such are either not practical for one or more reasons or they will get people into trouble. What you are suggesting is a non-battery system, and that crosses a line. I suppose if you added enough parts to make it big, complicated, and expensive then that may be fine. But small simple systems like that are not allowed for the general public. This would be me taking one of the AC motors I just showed in this video: https://youtu.be/2amFnvh9zqg  and making them run themselves (which is easy enough to do when you understand how this energy works). There are thousands of these running all around the world. But no one will ever sell them to the general public. All I'll say is that if you rewire it inside and add three of the right capacitors then you can do that. I've been in many trades over the years and grew up hearing stories about people doing that. These are rumors all over the US and Canada and elsewhere. But they are real. I don't expect anyone to believe that.

3. The thing that everyone has to realize is that the input battery is part of the system. Some of the energy goes back to the input battery. That is why using a power supply does not give the same results. I can't really get into that in a few words here, but there are several important reasons why a battery is necessary in the energizer setups. Now I'm explaining how to have such a battery just stay charged. You can either do the two or three battery bank setups where the batteries can be rotated or just remain charged. I decided a few years back to show both of these. I got in enough trouble for doing that. That is good enough for anyone to provide all of their electrical needs. But to remove the batteries is an entirely different system.

4. What I show at my meetings is more important than that because it shows you how to multiply the output as many times as you want.

RF,

Respectively, you are correct.  The test I proposed does cross a line and a very important one at that!  It is the line of TRUE OU.  On one side we have everything that is conservative that is, COP<1 and on the other side is the undeniable proof of COP>1.

When you incorporate multiple batteries in your work, this opens up the possibility of many incorrect assumptions and calculations to appear and thus raises question of the validity of any OU claims made.

If you truly are producing OU, then your device should be able to bootstrap charge a battery or capacitor totally by itself.  If not, then it is not OU.  It really is that simple because then nothing then depends on analysis, only the results.

Regards,
Pm

[AlienGrey]

Hi AlienGrey,

Thanks for the answer, will try to digest evostars's video(s) on the schematic later.  Back then he dealt with it I did not
follow his activity. I know that the circuit originates from Nelson. 
I would have questions on that circuit: your notice of "it works very well" means exactly what? 
And is the output power taken from L3C4 parallel circuit?

Gyula

Well yes, but you would have to stick very rigidly to it's construction guide lines  the two video's are on you tube,
I have chatted with Nelson but the original was some what different and smaller than ''master ivo's'' version. I only made the device as far as L1 and L2 goes it can more or less instantly charge a 2.2uf cap (2x 4.7uf 350v) instantaneously to over 500 volts and is lethal.  AG
ps
But I suggest if you want any further details you really should contact Nelson, him self as he is the man!
AG

[rickfriedrich]

Yeah, it really depends on what you are wanting to do. I think there is some mad rush to try and prove something out in five minutes, and that if you can't do that then it's assumed you have nothing. Obviously a system without a battery would show that but batteries take some time to know. There are a lot of mistakes people make as we have talked about already. The 4AH battery, as someone mentioned, is easier to see things faster, but it is also a bottleneck because of its size. We are not merely dealing with the inverse Peukerts law in this respect. When I went from charging a 12AH 12V battery to charging a 48V bank of 2000AH batteries I got a COP of over 200 and over 200 times the charging energy over the smaller battery while the input and motor stayed the same. Obviously that is not relating to Peukerts law. Even though that is amazing, it still was not a practical use of such a big bank. It is more practical to charge them faster with much less COP.

Like I said, it depends on what you want to do. You guys are still trying to experience OU whereas many people already have that experience and just want to improve upon their options. So it is more about what you specifically want to do with particular loads than merely trying to prove OU these days. Some people just want free air flow so they will do a fan. Others want a motor for an electric vehicle. Others want generators for electricity.

The batteries need to be considered as a unique collector negative resistor. The size will determine the amount of energy collection just like the Heaviside capacitive collection system Don Smith patented. Now lithium take advantage of a different benefit, and that is low esr. They will respond faster and will give better results than LABs of similar capacity ratings.

What I do in the meetings to show instantly the output is take my little window motor and run it at a few hundred ma at 12V and show various bulbs light up while with or without charging another battery. So you have the energy being used to run the motor, just like the fan, and now you can see the 100W module light up and even get hot. Even if it is the same amount of power as the input, you then have double the energy seen right away. This is good for basic tuning so that you don't have to make very long observations on the effects of charging batteries. Of course these loads are different, but at least it gives you a fair estimation of the amount of excess energy. The reason I like the fan demo is because the CFMs can be shown to be the same with or without the load on the reactive loop. So whatever is done on that loop is free energy. It is above or over unity without any self-loop. OU is not self-running, these are different ideas. It is extra loading that was thought to be impossible. It is a non-conservative experience. It does show that saying Kirchhoff is a universal is for the birds. Kirchhoff is only relating to steady state closed loops and has nothing to do with the gains from loosely associated reactive loops with their loads.

LEDs can be personally measured and compared with light meters, etc. You can't do much with video. But you can when it is really obvious. If you have a 100W module very bright and hot to the touch, but the input battery stays the same for an hour then it is obvious without a light meter, etc. I may have some other video of other meetings we did in Germany where we did hook up the scope to that box (as shown in the picture). There were skeptics at that meeting that did bring their equipment and measured it.

Rick,
Thanks for your reply ref measuring battery capacity. So, it becomes very difficult indeed to determine a system COP when loads are just a small fraction of a batteries rated A/hr (inverse Peukerts Law). Therefore, for example, how to determine how long a given number of constant current fed very low power LED lamps running as a load on a system powered from a say a 12A/hr, 20A/hr or 40A/hr LA source battery should stay illuminated in order to declare the DUT is running OU.

[rickfriedrich]

AG,
That is very true. So when you can rotate batteries around then what does that mean about how much energy has to be produced?

Hoppy, does LA have a double meaning when dealing with LA batteries ie Losey Accumulators as 50% in charging is lost so bang goes your theory !  you need a less losey way to store the energy!

[rickfriedrich]

If you were following what I have been saying over the last 3 weeks you would see that I agree with that. I do not try and prove anything with a video. But this means that you cannot disprove anything with a video as well.
The big difference with your setup and mine is that you were using 300ma to power three tiny leds and I was using 60 and 80ma powering 90 LEDs and also that I could have easily 500. I also had witnesses who are actually reading this forum right now. But again, you can't prove anything over the internet, which is what I titled the video showing this.

I just asked one question.

But I'm sure the readers here will note that almost everything you say about my demonstration also applies to yours.


Is this system OU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzbc-N-e9c