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170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video

Started by e2matrix, February 17, 2018, 01:03:05 PM

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cheors

@MichelM :
N'oublies pas qu'il faut aussi activer 12 bobines à la fois,(Post 258)

Do not forget that you also have to activate 12 coils at a time, (Post 258)


e2matrix

Awesome work Luc and Pmgr !   All very professional.   


I want to toss out some nibbles for thought which I hope for Luc's sake I am wrong but I was recently reminded of this.   I don't think this is what Erfinder is alluding to - just something which may have a remote chance of playing into the success of Pierre's device so take it for what it is.   I'm also factoring in the thought that anytime we change anything from an original build that we are playing with numbers and factors that can affect the outcome.   I'm referring to Telsa's mystical 3 6 9 information and especially the uniqueness of the number 9.   In Pierre's device his number of slots is a multiple of 9 and his number of relays and transistors are also a multiple of 9.  He also has 6 in there as 6 poles.   This is a nicely done video on the 3 6 9 and especially in the later part where he talks about the uniqueness of the number 9 :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg


I know this may seem like a lot of woo-woo but considering the lack of OU devices it may be something to think about .   I do hope for Luc with all the work he put into that beautiful coil winding job this is not a factor but if his build doesn't produce OU it might be something to consider in future builds.


   Also just a note on the low cost of products from China.  While some may be of lesser quality not all are low quality and cost is a whole different world over there.   I have products from China that cost 1/20th of USA made items and one of them closely examined by an American manufacturer said they could not tell the difference in quality.   So a USA made item costing $1000 can cost only $50 from China but still have the same high quality.  Remember China is a Communist country and it's a whole different economy and culture there where people may have no choice in what job to take or how much they are paid.

pmgr


@MichelM :
I believe you are correct. The three N-poles can be driven together and the three S-poles can be driven together, so that would reduce the number of relays and transistors by a factor of 3. Each relay would need to have 3 isolated switches (one for each N/S pole). And you can still step one slot at a time or turn two slots next to eachother on at the same time.
PmgR

gotoluc

Quote from: e2matrix on March 19, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
Awesome work Luc and Pmgr !   All very professional.   
I want to toss out some nibbles for thought which I hope for Luc's sake I am wrong but I was recently reminded of this.   I don't think this is what Erfinder is alluding to - just something which may have a remote chance of playing into the success of Pierre's device so take it for what it is.   I'm also factoring in the thought that anytime we change anything from an original build that we are playing with numbers and factors that can affect the outcome.   I'm referring to Telsa's mystical 3 6 9 information and especially the uniqueness of the number 9.   In Pierre's device his number of slots is a multiple of 9 and his number of relays and transistors are also a multiple of 9.  He also has 6 in there as 6 poles.   This is a nicely done video on the 3 6 9 and especially in the later part where he talks about the uniqueness of the number 9 :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg

I do hope for Luc with all the work he put into that beautiful coil winding job this is not a factor but if his build doesn't produce OU it might be something to consider in future builds.

Also just a note on the low cost of products from China.  While some may be of lesser quality not all are low quality and cost is a whole different world over there.   I have products from China that cost 1/20th of USA made items and one of them closely examined by an American manufacturer said they could not tell the difference in quality.   So a USA made item costing $1000 can cost only $50 from China but still have the same high quality.  Remember China is a Communist country and it's a whole different economy and culture there where people may have no choice in what job to take or how much they are paid.

français
Super travail Luc et Pmgr! Tout est très professionnel.
Je veux jeter des grignotements pour la pensée que j'espère pour l'amour de Luc, je me trompe mais cela m'a été rappelé récemment. Je ne pense pas que ce soit ce à quoi Erfinder fait allusion - juste quelque chose qui peut avoir une faible chance de jouer dans le succès de l'appareil de Pierre alors prenez-le pour ce qu'il est. Je pense aussi que chaque fois que nous changeons quelque chose d'une construction originale que nous jouons avec des nombres et des facteurs qui peuvent affecter le résultat. Je veux parler de l'information mystique de Telsa et surtout de l'unicité du nombre 9. Dans l'appareil de Pierre, son nombre de slots est un multiple de 9 et son nombre de relais et de transistors est aussi un multiple de 9. Il a aussi 6 là comme 6 pôles. Ceci est une vidéo bien fait sur le 3 6 9 et surtout dans la dernière partie où il parle de l'unicité du numéro 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg

J'espère pour Luc avec tout le travail qu'il a mis dans ce beau travail de bobinage ce n'est pas un facteur mais si sa construction ne produit pas d'OU, cela pourrait être quelque chose à considérer dans les futures constructions.

Aussi juste une note sur le faible coût des produits en provenance de Chine. Alors que certains peuvent être de moindre qualité, tous ne sont pas de qualité médiocre et le coût est un monde complètement différent là-bas. J'ai des produits en provenance de Chine qui coûtent 1 / 20ème des articles fabriqués aux Etats-Unis et l'un d'entre eux examiné de près par un fabricant américain a déclaré qu'ils ne pouvaient pas faire la différence en termes de qualité. Ainsi, un article américain de 1000 $ peut coûter seulement 50 $ à la Chine, tout en conservant la même qualité. Rappelez-vous que la Chine est un pays communiste et qu'il y a une économie et une culture totalement différentes là où les gens n'ont pas le choix du travail à faire ou du salaire.

Thanks e2matrix for your post and positive comment.
I'm aware of the risks of making a change or changes. This build is a first step to observer what happens when we have this interesting combination of components and switching. I've never tried it and that alone will be satisfactory for me to observe. If more comes out of it ;) then that's a bonus.

Regrads

Luc

français
Merci e2matrix pour votre message et commentaire positif.
Je suis conscient des risques de faire un changement ou des changements. Cette construction est une première étape pour l'observateur de ce qui se passe lorsque nous avons cette combinaison intéressante de composants et de commutation. Je ne l'ai jamais essayé et cela seul sera satisfaisant pour moi d'observer. Si plus vient à sortir ;) , alors c'est un bonus.

gotoluc

Quote from: pmgr on March 19, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
@MichelM :
I believe you are correct. The three N-poles can be driven together and the three S-poles can be driven together, so that would reduce the number of relays and transistors by a factor of 3. Each relay would need to have 3 isolated switches (one for each N/S pole). And you can still step one slot at a time or turn two slots next to eachother on at the same time.
PmgR

français
@MichelM:
Je crois que vous avez raison. Les trois pôles N peuvent être entraînés ensemble et les trois pôles S peuvent être entraînés ensemble, ce qui réduirait le nombre de relais et de transistors d'un facteur 3. Chaque relais nécessiterait 3 commutateurs isolés (un pour chaque N). / S pole). Et vous pouvez toujours avancer d'un créneau à la fois ou tourner deux fentes l'une à côté de l'autre en même temps.
PmgR

MichelM, I also agree with PmgR. However, using one single switch to feed 3 coils means 3 times the current thorugh the switch. We have to weigh all the pros, cons and costs before making such a change.
For me at this time I wouldn't consider it as I'm already changing 2 things, 30 section vs a 36 section stator and solid state switching vs mechanical relays.
However, I do appreciate you or anyone making suggestions for future builds.

Regards

Luc

français
MichelM, je suis également d'accord avec PmgR. Cependant, l'utilisation d'un seul interrupteur pour alimenter 3 bobines signifie 3 fois le courant dans l'interrupteur. Nous devons peser tous les avantages, les inconvénients et les coûts avant de faire un tel changement.
Pour moi en ce moment je ne le considérerais pas comme je suis déjà en train de changer 2 choses, 30 sections contre un stator de 36 sections et une commutation à l'état solide contre des relais mécaniques.
Cependant, j'apprécie que vous ou quelqu'un fasse des suggestions pour les constructions future.