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Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

Started by gotoluc, March 23, 2018, 10:12:45 AM

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pedro1

The numbers at the bottom of my sketch have no relation with what I explained in the video. The sketch is something I made for myself at beginning of my project. It is useless to look it try to find an answer to your questions. If you understood French, then you would know the sketch was only used to explain how I wound my stator.

Regards

Pierre Cotnoir

cheors


listener192

Quote from: gmolina on April 15, 2018, 11:53:08 PM
Hi Luc, in my understanding of this device, you need first magnetize the core and after them sustain this with much little requeriments of energy, for that reason the field can't be detroyed, because if you destroy the field destroy the core magnetization, in Pierre video when he connect power supply to the arduino, begin first one initial sequence (i suppose that is for the core magnetization) and after that the working sequence well knowed.

Regards,

GM

DC magnetization around the stator reduces output with either polarity.

AC magnetization around the stator does increase output although I have only tested this asynchronously, which results in a cyclic boost in output.   

Sine modulation of the DC rail also boosts output but once again I have only tested asynchronously, so this was also cyclic.

Also I have placed a 20V AC transformer secondary in series with the 30 coils (30 slot stator), this also cyclically boosts output .

Regards

L192

pmgr

Quote from: listener192 on April 18, 2018, 02:12:24 PM
DC magnetization around the stator reduces output with either polarity.

AC magnetization around the stator does increase output although I have only tested this asynchronously, which results in a cyclic boost in output.   

Sine modulation of the DC rail also boosts output but once again I have only tested asynchronously, so this was also cyclic.

Also I have placed a 20V AC transformer secondary in series with the 30 coils (30 slot stator), this also cyclically boosts output .

Regards

L192
You can't have any DC flux. The rotor needs AC flux, only that way can you generate a voltage.

This setup is a combo of a 2 phase and 3 phase generator. The way each of the 6 coils (6 poles) needs to be biased is as follows (assuming they are numbered 1 through 6 in clock wise direction):

Coilset 1 and Coilset 4 needs to be biased 180deg out of sync (so if coilset 1 = +1, coilset 4 is -1 or 180deg).
Same for coilset 3 and coilset 6.
Same for coilset 5 and coilset 2.
Coilset 1, 5 and 3 need to be biased 120deg out of phase so if coilset 1 is 0deg, coilset 5 needs to be at 120deg and coilset 3 at 240deg.

Only in that way will the flux properly add up when it goes through the stator. You need to make sure that you can bias your coils in this way while looping around.
PmgR

d3x0r

It's a moving magnetic field.... literally, and the hard way...


in the case of allowed induction paths; (as tinman recently demonstrated, a incomplete loop is not likely to absorbe collapsing/expanding flux)


It's like those radus mag boos/( magnetic reluctance motor?  conventionally?) Flux-gate generator?


the thing is, it has a north in one semi-path and a south on the other, and they rotate, and skip back to the start and rotate again... and probably the thrash from left to right is more of the cycle's power than any other... it'd be nice to see what the output wave at the output coil (with a load) on the static-rotor, vs a logic state of the 36 others... though I'd take a raw pulse train at the capacitors... before any filtering/recapture diodes.




In the case of self induction (to go back to the first point )


As one field is energed and de-energizeswhat current is generated in the on the's going from no energy to positive current?  Does the current just sort of continue in the winding with near 0 resistance instead of the one with infinite (relay open) resistance... well that's not what the arduino is doing huh?  Because it entirely dis... well there is an overlap of each 2, but not 3... so I suppose the new one that's been enabled gets 2x the current?  (The field resists the colapse....)?  It's actually a dc(edit:NO!) output huh?  Because the field never reverses through the center stator-rotor(?)   


When the circuit is opened, the current that generated a magnetic does NOT instananously reverse... but rather it wants to continue.  Or else, they wouldn't use filtering beads to smooth instantanous peaks/lulls in current.  it(the current) will be induced in the same direction until the magneitc field is no more.  In this case, the general field is not no more.


Perhaps that's where the stutter mapps... because it does get a good deal of mangic reluctance builtup in the iron... Probably there's a de-gaussing direction momentarily....(?)

I don't see how you will ever get anywhere near this with any of the coils in series with any other coil. (@gotoluc)


Edit:
Otherwise it's PMH's ... setting up magnetic loops between all of the possible stator fins through the block, and then collapsing them? 


Oh i remember; there was a frequency measure on the output that was 60 hz So no it's not DC... but then 60 RPM


Edit2: Based on the last arduino video... This is the pattern...
Some of the coils are north, some are south.
Are the 72 relays connected   power->relay->coil->relay->transistor drive/diode recapture   so DPDT relays could work there?


1 transistor controls 2 relays... do the relays engage two pairs of coils?  Or is it 2 breaks in the same circuit?  (Only inventory can really answer)


I would think though that the polarity of any single coil is always the same....


The colored vertical bands group what seems to be a cyclic sub-group.  The cycle block color changes going down for each cycle.  A full pass (red blocks, or yellow, the green overflows into what would partially be the next cycle...) would be 16.666ms