The two capacitor paradox debate

[WhatIsIt]

Compressed gas is far more accurate representation
of charges and forces between them, which are calculated
with inverse square law.

[onepower]

V8karlo

P = U * I
Power is product.
Where do you see inverse square law in this simple equation.
Power should not follow inverse square law.
Inverse square law is reserved for strength of field of charges and should not be integrated into power calculations.

Power is simply the rate at which electrical energy is transferred not energy in itself... so what caused the energy to transfer?.   

Somebody mixed apples and oranges and as result expect only apples.
Which can not be.
Otherwise, just keep adding voltage in cap and soon you will have so much power that you can power the city from capacitor.

I think your confusing power and energy as many do. Energy is the thing which causes something to move and power is only a measure of the rate at which it moved. Energy encompasses everything not only the rate of transfer like power. Can you calculate why your car accelerates or brakes and the energy required based solely on it's velocity in Km/hr?. Well no power is at best a simplistic measure.

Is it like that in reality?

Yes, no professional uses simple power calculations they always use Energy calculations which why so many seem confused by the two capacitor paradox.

Regards

[lancaIV]

Harold " Aspden Notes On Berlin Lecture "

Not full/empty caps but full/full caps dispute !

[v8karlo]

V8karlo
Power is simply the rate at which electrical energy is transferred not energy in itself... so what caused the energy to transfer?.   

I think your confusing power and energy as many do. Energy is the thing which causes something to move and power is only a measure of the rate at which it moved. Energy encompasses everything not only the rate of transfer like power. Can you calculate why your car accelerates or brakes and the energy required based solely on it's velocity in Km/hr?. Well no power is at best a simplistic measure.

Yes, no professional uses simple power calculations they always use Energy calculations which why so many seem confused by the two capacitor paradox.

Regards

I said that I can only speculate and try to find reason other than losses.


It seems that you know answer and everything about it,
and I am confused why you opened thread if all of that is known to you?


Did you want to hear others opinions, or to find some victim so you can preach to that person how wrong he is?


Neither you or I are right.
Why?
Because it is still cap conundrum and is not solved.
Once when it will be solved you will know that you were right or wrong.
Until then, all your knowing is just as mine, rant on the moon.


But, been pleasure talking with you.

[v8karlo]

Analogy of water, analogy of compressed gas.
Both share one thing.
The molecules will travel from first container to second until are equal.


Lets put 10m of wire between caps.


Electrons are charge carriers and they travel few meters per second through conductor.


So electrons will travel few seconds through 10m of wire.
But caps will equalize in nanoseconds even if wire is 100m long.


Charges can not travel between caps that fast.


That means that same amount of charges are same in both caps all the time.
Only pressure travels between caps, or voltage.


But in equation we calculate that half of charges will remain in first cap,
and half will travel to second.
While actually all charges stay in first cap and same amout of charges will be and was in second cap, just at different pressure, voltage.
So, no changes in charge amount.


But still we calculate half of charges and half of voltage, which means twice half.


Does this make any sense?
Or is just another rant?