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Started by seychelles, April 02, 2021, 11:42:42 PM

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Floor

Quote from: muzzz on April 11, 2021, 11:08:40 AM
Hi Guys , can someone explain to me why this is OU . Has he not just made a more efficient way of lifting the coins using inertia? .I assume both motors were the same?
Also if he used some better gear reduction on  just the motor setup and raised the same amount of coins to a certain height say 1ft and also calculated the stored potential energy of the raised weight and amount of power consumed to get to 1ft height  ,then measure how much the coins are raised each time his machine rotated and again run the machine the time it takes to have lifted the coins the same amount , then see how much power was consumed by the motor and add the used potential energy as the coins are dropped each rotation (assuming the dropping of the coins assists in its operation) .Would this not then show if it was OU .

Read the topic

Floor

@ muzz

I think you are referring to Ray's build, yes ?

Please be specific in your posts.  It saves a lot of time
rather than going back and forth.  Its considerate of
other peoples time that way.

The video's maker (Ray) has not declared this to be O.U..

I have not either.

I have said that Given certain conditions,
are true it would be work from magnets.

Call that O.U. if you like. I would.

And please read the topic, its pretty short.
If you had,  your question would have been unneeded.

best wishes floor

Floor

Quote from: kolbacict on April 11, 2021, 02:10:44 PM
exactly. I also thought about the ratchet wheel. or manually remove the coins at the top.
And then put it down below. Or, as suggested above, divide the consumption of the motor when moving up and down.


Right on.

I think Ray is already on this stuff.  He is just showing his testing and progress to date.

   regards
        floor

MagnaProp

I'm thinking now it might work better with a cylindrical magnet that is tapered at the top and bottom. The taper helps make more distance between the flipper and the sticky spot. Side view shown. Green parts are Rays metal sticky spot reducer bars. This way there is no need for the strange cuts I mentioned earlier.

Quote from: kolbacict on April 11, 2021, 07:09:35 AM
I don't know. A single motor only lifts the load.
But the load in the installation on the right rises and falls.
Work in this case is zero.
Not sure what you mean. As Floor mentioned in his post "The flip flop magnets are under power in both directions."

Turn Rays apparatus 90 degrees on its side and the coins would get pushed and pulled side to side with the same amount of force. Doesn't matter what the load is on the flipper. The only load the motor will ever feel is the flipper getting past the sticky spot which will be a known, set value.

Floor

@ MagnaProp

The design is a strange bird.

I have had some modification ideas too.

But when playing around with a couple of magnets in hand,
those ideas didn't work out.