Energy Generation by moving Mag Field through Static Steel Core & Copper Coils

[Ufopolitics]

THE MAIN GENERAL IDEA OF FIELD SPECTRUM DISPLACEMENT...given as a short Abstract:




ABSTRACT:


A Sequential Series of Orderly Switching, that could be done in several ways, from a primitive small Rotary Switch, or Relays, or from State of the Art in Electronics, all leading to perform same Mutations of smaller percentages of the Main Magnetic Field, without ever allowing a full collapse of the main Magnetic Field, which induce to a Displacement over Space/Time of this Field Spectrum of apparent Massless and Invisible to plain eyes, through all metals where it is generated, eg: Steel Cores, Copper Coils, etc...
This continuous displacement of this Field Spectrum through space/time, while all components which generate it, stay static, will produce pure and constant Energy, for as long as it keeps moving.












I know this should have been on my first page...and I can change that...but I will not...it is still about the same, exact main principle of whole Thread and Sub-Threads here...




Ufopolitics

[Semi]

Hey Ufo,

I did some Math regarding the RPM and switching Frequency of the RMF. It would be awesome If you could double check this please?
Also I have some thoughts and Questions I would like to point out.

On a Generator with 50 Hz Output Frequency:
Time Period T = 1/f with f in Hz = 1/s
- a 2 Pole Rotor must spin with the same speed, it has therefor T_2P = 20 ms,
- a 4 Pole Rotor can spin just half this fast to get the 50 Hz out, f_4P=25 Hz, -> T_4P = 40 ms

Q: What is a typically exciting Voltage on a constantly rotating power generator?
Is it approx the same Voltage in DC as the Output? Like in a Car Alternator, where after the initial
exciting from the Batterie, the output Voltage serves as an exciting source. Approx 12V i.e.

If you have a 24 Slot commutator, means 24 Coils, now with 4 Poles, means 6 coils for each Pole and 12 for 2 Poles.
So these 12 coils must be switched or rather shifted with the Time Period T_RMF, that it simulates T_4P ?!
Therefor it must be:
12 x T_RMF = T_4P (x stands for times, not for the cross product)
this is equal to:
12 x f_4P = f_RMF => 12 x 25 Hz = 300 Hz -> T_RMF = 3,33 ms

This also means, with your 4 Pole and 24 Coil RMF, the output Signal must be 12 times slower than your input Signal.
You have to drive 300 Hz on the Input, to simulate a with 25 Hz rotating 4 Pole Rotor, to get your 50 Hz Signal out.

Q: Can you confirm this? Can you measure your coils switching frequency with your osci? Perhaps with the single shot function?

I think you've already proven a lot of your claims with your short clip. If I figure the values right, your excited DC EMF is almost
the same as your induced AC EMF.

Q: Any Idea why this is?

I thought, compared to a generator or Transformer, the output Voltage stands in a relation to the number of turns from the input
and output windings. Hence an universal motor doesn't have this relation between input and output windings. A Generator does.
So it could make sense, that your induced EMF will be more or less always the same as
your excited EMF. Generally spoken, in Generators and transformers, the Induced EMF is a function of the input frequency,
If N1 is not equal to N2. I think it could be possible that in an universal motor N1=N2, due to its nature.

Q: Can you confirm this? Did you measure different excited and induced EMF with different frequencies?
Q: What is the nominal Voltage your rotor has to take, when running as a Motor?
Q: What are your Coil Values? Different Values from different LCR-Meters?

Cheers
Semi

[Ufopolitics]

Hey Ufo,

I did some Math regarding the RPM and switching Frequency of the RMF. It would be awesome If you could double check this please?
Also I have some thoughts and Questions I would like to point out.

On a Generator with 50 Hz Output Frequency:
Time Period T = 1/f with f in Hz = 1/s
- a 2 Pole Rotor must spin with the same speed, it has therefor T_2P = 20 ms,
- a 4 Pole Rotor can spin just half this fast to get the 50 Hz out, f_4P=25 Hz, -> T_4P = 40 ms

Hello Semi,


Wow...what a "bombardment of questions" here....hehehehe


But, ok, about your above first question...


let's remember who dictates the Output Frequency in a Generator?


It is dictated by the RPM of the Exciter, and directly -in  a typical generator- is given by the speed of the ICE Engine.


Yes, of course the higher the number of poles on the Exciter, the lesser the RPM's required.


For an Output of 50Hz a Two Pole Exciter Rotor must reach 3000 RPM's, while a Four Pole will just need half of that, or 1500 RPM's.


And so, for a 60 Hz, it needs 3600 RPM's for Two Poles, and 1800 RPM's for a four poles exciter.

Q: What is a typically exciting Voltage on a constantly rotating power generator?
Is it approx the same Voltage in DC as the Output? Like in a Car Alternator, where after the initial
exciting from the Batterie, the output Voltage serves as an exciting source. Approx 12V i.e.

No, the voltage to power the generator exciter coils is HIGHER, than the Output Voltage.
For example, a typical 120V/20A Output Generator will require its exciter to run at approximatedly 170-180V and 1-2 amps

If you have a 24 Slot commutator, means 24 Coils, now with 4 Poles, means 6 coils for each Pole and 12 for 2 Poles.
So these 12 coils must be switched or rather shifted with the Time Period T_RMF, that it simulates T_4P ?!
Therefor it must be:
12 x T_RMF = T_4P (x stands for times, not for the cross product)
this is equal to:
12 x f_4P = f_RMF => 12 x 25 Hz = 300 Hz -> T_RMF = 3,33 ms

This also means, with your 4 Pole and 24 Coil RMF, the output Signal must be 12 times slower than your input Signal.
You have to drive 300 Hz on the Input, to simulate a with 25 Hz rotating 4 Pole Rotor, to get your 50 Hz Signal out.

Q: Can you confirm this? Can you measure your coils switching frequency with your osci? Perhaps with the single shot function?

Sorry Semi, but I do  not understand your reasoning (Mathematics) on this...


You are mixing 12 (from 12 Coils in a 2P) with "T_4P"?


But basically it is the total opposite to your conclusions above...No, the Field can never rotate faster than the outpur frequency required!!


If you do that, there would not be any output at all...


Here we are rotating a Spectrum that goes faster than light...and can go through metals like through air...so, more likely The Field must be driven SLOWER, than the needed output frequency...and that applies to 2P and 4P...and even 6P.


To get the right and best output frequency, the Field must be driven very slowly...and up, until the reached correct timing is met...if you keep going higher, after reaching the "sweet spot"...the output will start decreasing.

I think you've already proven a lot of your claims with your short clip. If I figure the values right, your excited DC EMF is almost
the same as your induced AC EMF.

Q: Any Idea why this is?

I thought, compared to a generator or Transformer, the output Voltage stands in a relation to the number of turns from the input
and output windings. Hence an universal motor doesn't have this relation between input and output windings. A Generator does.
So it could make sense, that your induced EMF will be more or less always the same as
your excited EMF. Generally spoken, in Generators and transformers, the Induced EMF is a function of the input frequency,
If N1 is not equal to N2. I think it could be possible that in an universal motor N1=N2, due to its nature.

Q: Can you confirm this? Did you measure different excited and induced EMF with different frequencies?
Q: What is the nominal Voltage your rotor has to take, when running as a Motor?
Q: What are your Coil Values? Different Values from different LCR-Meters?

Cheers
Semi

Thanks, but we still can NOT establish any rules up to now...related to Input versus Output relationships...it is way too early for conclusions!!


So, like we say in USA..."do not jump at the gun..."...


I was just making a simple test, like I have proposed...but these Universal Motors are FAR, from being even "similar" to the structure of a real generator configuration.


Only then, whenever we have the typical configuration that a real generator have, then we could start coming up with conclusions...and relationships...


So, it all depends on your configuration, which allows to reach much higher outputs with a minimal Input...that is the goal, my friend.




Regards




Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello to All,




I highly recommend FIRST to start using/playing/calculating/running simulations, etc,etc with a simple Two Pole Configuration in your setup...


Please, do not overcomplicate things before even trying and building this simple setup!!


I have a 2 Pole setup, and I had to add two more brushes to my Rotary Switch, NOT to make it a 4 Poles...BUT...in order to shorten the Field Angles of Interaction, which gets a much stronger effect without any side noises or scrambling, whenever we get crossed coils noise in the middle of the field.


So, imagine using a four pole...in order to shorten these four fields angles, you will need eight [8] Brushes in your Rotary Switch!!


Then you end up using a 1/2 HP Motor to run just the rotary switch...just like the Korean guy did...


Fact is, you only have a limited number of coils in any given rotor-exciter to be fitted inside any given stator...so, "spliting" coils in four or six will be like cutting in pieces a very strong two field composition, into four or six slices of the same "pie"...


All the work just to drive Field at slower speeds??!!




Cheers




Ufopolitics

[Semi]

Hey Mate,

Hello Semi,

Wow...what a "bombardment of questions" here....hehehehe

I didn't mean to steamroll you there, but you kinda invited us to this ride,
so stop complaining If you have to jump curbs. 

But, ok, about your above first question...
let's remember who dictat
It is dictated by the RPM of the Exciter, and directly -in  a typical generator- is given by the speed of the ICE Engine.
Yes, of course the higher the number of poles on the Exciter, the lesser the RPM's required.
For an Output of 50Hz a Two Pole Exciter Rotor must reach 3000 RPM's, while a Four Pole will just need half of that, or 1500 RPM's.
And so, for a 60 Hz, it needs 3600 RPM's for Two Poles, and 1800 RPM's for a four poles exciter.

Sure thing, 50 Hz by 60 times (for one minute) = 3000 RPM, or rather 3600 RPM with 60 Hz. But I like to calculate in SI.

No, the voltage to power the generator exciter coils is HIGHER, than the Output Voltage.
For example, a typical 120V/20A Output Generator will require its exciter to run at approximatedly 170-180V and 1-2 amps

This can't be true, not at all. I've read values from an AVR, that excites up to 90 VDC depending on the load, Output approx. 230V AC.

Sorry Semi, but I do  not understand your reasoning (Mathematics) on this...
You are mixing 12 (from 12 Coils in a 2P) with "T_4P"?
But basically it is the total opposite to your conclusions above...No, the Field can never rotate faster than the outpur frequency required!!
If you do that, there would not be any output at all...
Here we are rotating a Spectrum that goes faster than light...and can go through metals like through air...so, more likely The Field must be driven SLOWER, than the needed output frequency...and that applies to 2P and 4P...and even 6P.
To get the right and best output frequency, the Field must be driven very slowly...and up, until the reached correct timing is met...if you keep going higher, after reaching the "sweet spot"...the output will start decreasing.

I don't think you get the Science here either, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. Is the Flux Capacitor really fluxing? 

Well, I thought your 4 Brushes will create an equally divided 4 Pole RMF? So I derived my Math from that. If you have "just" a 2 Pole RMF, with 24 Coils,
you would've to go even faster. Then it would be: 24 x T_RMF = T_2P => 24 x f_2P = f_RMF => 24 x 50 Hz = 1200 Hz -> T_RMF = 0,83 ms

Thanks, but we still can NOT establish any rules up to now...related to Input versus Output relationships...it is way too early for conclusions!!
So, like we say in USA..."do not jump at the gun..."...

Yes, it is totally possible that I am barking up the wrong tree here. That is why I wanted you to double-check this on your rig.

I was just making a simple test, like I have proposed...but these Universal Motors are FAR, from being even "similar" to the structure of a real generator configuration.
Only then, whenever we have the typical configuration that a real generator have, then we could start coming up with conclusions...and relationships...
So, it all depends on your configuration, which allows to reach much higher outputs with a minimal Input...that is the goal, my friend.

I totally get you there...

I highly recommend FIRST to start using/playing/calculating/running simulations, etc,etc with a simple Two Pole Configuration in your setup...

How much more theoretically can I get, when not by using Math? You have the Test rig already, why not getting some data out of it?

Please, do not overcomplicate things before even trying and building this simple setup!!

That is so true.

Perhaps I don't get the detailed Setup configuration you have built. I felt into the assumption trap, again.
Here my thoughts about this, please correct me...
If you have a Rotor with 24 Bars on the commutator, you will spin your brushes
around these 24 contacts. If equally divided, with 2 Brushes, you will create a 2 Pole RMF and with 4 Brushes, you will create a 4 Pole RMF.

Thanks for taking the time, very much appreciated.
Semi