RE: For starters , Read this first, compiled PDF file of Steven Mark postings

[shuzammy]

Good grief, does this really need to be said?

For starters, to be clear, Steven Mark does not have ANY obligation whatsoever to provide ANY information to ANYone regarding the function of this device.  This forum was not started by Steven Mark, nor has he pursued or entreated anyone to prove his statements or recreate his work.  He is not attempting to convince anyone of anything.  He does not, to my knowledge, currently perpetuate any claims regarding the device.  The videos, which were clearly never intended for public dissemination, may cause one to think differently, but these are in excess of ten years old.  They were intended to document the process and foster private investor interest.  They were never intended for the Internet.  SM has nothing to gain through their dissemination which may or may not have happened with his consent or prior knowledge.  He could certainly care less regarding whether any of us believe in him or the device.  In providing no further information to the general public, this does make him a fraud.  He has, in fact, already been gracious enough to provide more information than may have been prudent for him and others related to the work.

No one here is entitled to anything.  Most of us already understand this.  Neither you nor I are entitled to a single statement or show of proof from SM.  While he may or may not have made embellished statements, meant to deter opportunists, in regards to the patent status of the device or methods of its function, this does not make him a fraud.  Fraud would be if he were disingenuous regarding the function of the device.  Remember that the first step in a "patent pending" process may often include a post-marked envelope to oneself containing the method or invention.  In this manner one shows an intention to protect intellectual property and therein is without reproach in implying that patent protection is pending.

Everyone here is present of their own free volition for the purpose of discovering the details surrounding what most already know, either by intuition or scientific study, that the phenomenon observed and reported surrounding the the TPU is not only possible, but well established by inventors who have come before.  This purpose here is to establish and place into public domain, the precise method by which this device (the Steven Mark TPU) operates.  Steven Mark was not the inventor of free energy.  He used creativity, research and intuition to follow in the footsteps of giants that went before him.  The idea and concepts behind the TPU are not new.  Any doubt in the device or Steven Mark has no bearing on these facts.

Finally, I love a good conspiracy theory now and then but to think this is all fabricated, including the defaming comments regarding Mark, or the independent reference letters by engineers, is ridiculous.  Someone would have done a far better job scripting the show if the videos were just that.  As for Deyo, I follow his work, have heard his interviews and own his books.  I'm sure he doesn't truly believe what he may have once postulated without all the materials at his disposal.  He certainly has knowledge of suppressed technology far more advanced than a TPU.  Consider this, certainly if a patent existed to somehow trump all the work being done here, it would have to detail the work beforehand to support its claims, so what then would be the purpose if it was already patented?  Ridiculous.

At the end of the day, a healthy-minded skeptic, with nothing to prove, should here forward elect to move on - or quietly chew the hay and spit out the sticks.

[devilzangel]

to be honest, i am a bit weary after reading thousands of post, i dont know about the other n00bs here.  .. it is ridiculous. Documentation is paramount to science.

for about a month of so i have been researching the information i have thus far read in the posts (complied PDFs)...
1. UEC .. i have been trying to look through all possible meanings of those 3 letters .. in my opinion .. U can be for Universal or United or Unilateral .. E can be for Electric, Electrical, Electricity, Energy .. C can be for Company or Coalition. .. I have been trying to correlate this to all patents applied for from 1995-2000 under these combination of assignees.

2. I have also been trying to combine this with the inventor state being in CA, but this could be wrong considering UEC may have used some other name and state.

3. one thing i am afraid of is that "SM" mentions the company being based out of USA (if i remember correctly) .. in that case, the patent would have been applied for outside the USA and thus wouldn't be in the USA data base unless it was filed as an international patent. do i remember correctly that the company is based in Australia???

we can spend another 5-15 years trying to reverse engineer from a few videos and some posts .. or a detective who has contacts can spend about 2 years on this and get to the bottom of who these people are. once that is made public, it can be publicized that a company in so and so country has a technology that can stop all energy crisis .. heheh .. someone who has the right contact and resources can get to the bottom of this thing.

for all we know, there may be a few UEC employees registered at overunity and gn0sis to keep tabs on what is being researched and talked about in regards to the TPU.

hey don't count me as paranoid .. it is just business .. for UEC to compartmentalize a technology over multiple patents, and maybe use different inventor names and different assignees speaks to the fact that these people are well versed in both the art of deception and in business.

I truly do believe this technology is real .. but the only thing is there can be only ONE Einstein who comes up with general relativity, etc .. if all his work was classified and made top secret .. do u think "rumors" would allow someone to reverse theorize what Einstien theorized??? i doubt it. I dont think, that even with all this hard work from some great guys here, that anyone will get this TPU to work how it is intended to work. heck, we still cant understand some works done by people who were way ahead of their time.

i feel the only way is to get to the knowledge that is already there.

the fact that the US military censors public domain knowledge of inventions and patents is a grave sin. It is one of the reasons why USA is no longer a beacon of freedom and democracy. For USA, democracy seems to be skin deep.

maybe hiring a psychic and remote viewers will help .. hehehe .. i am a beginner at remote viewing, so i cant really get any usable info yet.

devilzangel
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[gn0stik]

1. UEC is an australian based company. Look in the Australian business directories. Or the ASIC web site,  I found a few companies that could fit the bill.

http://www.search.asic.gov.au/gns001.html

I found several that seemed possible. I searched for "Universal Energy" One was founded in 1997 in NSW.

2. Brian Collins. SM spent several years in Australia, Brian is even in one of his videos. You can hear him begin to talk over steven on occasion. And you can see Steven get somewhat annoyed. Most of the men in this video speak with an australian accent. It's the video that seems to take place in an office conference room of some sort.

3. Steven's audio patent was filed in the US, but if the UEC owns the control circuit patents, they may not be US or international patents. Could just be australian patents.

Who knows....


Oh, and Koko, You've yet to present your argument. If you want to debate, present it, and quit placing the responsibility on others for your belief or disbelief. Again, I stated it plainly before, but I'll do it again. You say you want to believe with all your heart. Fine, believe. But, your eyes tell you a different story. Fine, don't. Either way your belief does not effect us. If you believed, and CONTRIBUTED, that might effect us. But disbelief only effects your disposition on the issue.

Oh, and if you think you can fake that video cheaply, please do. And don't forget to put a TV set in the room, and do some RF discharges without gloves on like that.

Otherwise just educate us all, as you no doubt feel you need to, or don't. We've all been through this several times, so feel free to change our minds. We're listening....

Rich

[devilzangel]

1. UEC is an australian based company. Look in the Australian business directories. Or the ASIC web site,  I found a few companies that could fit the bill.

http://www.search.asic.gov.au/gns001.html

I found several that seemed possible. I searched for "Universal Energy" One was founded in 1997 in NSW.

2. Brian Collins. SM spent several years in Australia, Brian is even in one of his videos. You can hear him begin to talk over steven on occasion. And you can see Steven get somewhat annoyed. Most of the men in this video speak with an australian accent. It's the video that seems to take place in an office conference room of some sort.

3. Steven's audio patent was filed in the US, but if the UEC owns the control circuit patents, they may not be US or international patents. Could just be australian patents.

Who knows....

thanks for the confirmation .. will start a search in AU for the "UEC" and patents as well (i dont know how far u have gone down this path, but i just feel like i should also)

again thanks,
devilzangel
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[kokomoj0]

maybe hiring a psychic and remote viewers will help .. hehehe .. i am a beginner at remote viewing, so i cant really get any usable info yet.

devilzangel
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not sure its worth the effort but here you go

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/patents/search_index.shtml

its interesting that an aussie is the one who claims this guy is a fraud