The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Kul_ash]

Ha ha ha!!!! That was awesome! How did I miss such a world changing experiment?  Huge huge energy from four legged stool  Thanx pirate for sending me the most amazing video!

[Top Gun]

Good. At least I educated you in some thing. So let me summarize! Pendulum08.jpg was wrongly drawn. Pendulum14.jpg and pendulum21.jpg clearly showed "mechanism" for vertical lift.

Dear Kul_ash,

Since you mention Pendulum21.jpg (in reply 2324), I shall use it for our discussion here.

I shall try not to draw any more new diagrams from now on.  So you have to refer back to reply 2324 for details.

I would like to emphasize that the initial position of the pulley and the 10 unit weight is deliberately placed below the horizontal.  Thus the pull from the 10 unit weight has no upward vertical component while it is in this below horizontal position.

The final raise of the 10 unit weight is (dH+dY).  This is the vertical upward work done.  Since the displacement is (dH+dY) vertical, and the force to lift the 10 unit weight is also vertical, the work done is 10*(dH+dY).  We can compare this with the increase in potential energy of the bob Mg*dH = 60*dH.  These two terms are different.  Their difference = 60*dH - 10*(dH+dY) = 50*dH ? 10+dY.

The value dY can be made very small as any value below the horizontal will satisfy the above scenario. 

Since the externally applied 10 unit force cannot provide this work or energy difference, we must look at other contributors.  The only other possible choice is the tension of the string.  Thus this particular ?non-ideal Lee-Tseung pull? also shows that gravity provides the additional energy via the tension of the string.

Is that clear???

[Kul_ash]

Good. At least I educated you in some thing. So let me summarize! Pendulum08.jpg was wrongly drawn. Pendulum14.jpg and pendulum21.jpg clearly showed "mechanism" for vertical lift.

Dear Kul_ash,

Since you mention Pendulum21.jpg (in reply 2324), I shall use it for our discussion here.

I shall try not to draw any more new diagrams from now on.  So you have to refer back to reply 2324 for details.

I would like to emphasize that the initial position of the pulley and the 10 unit weight is deliberately placed below the horizontal.  Thus the pull from the 10 unit weight has no upward vertical component while it is in this below horizontal position.

The final raise of the 10 unit weight is (dH+dY).  This is the vertical upward work done.  Since the displacement is (dH+dY) vertical, and the force to lift the 10 unit weight is also vertical, the work done is 10*(dH+dY).  We can compare this with the increase in potential energy of the bob Mg*dH = 60*dH.  These two terms are different.  Their difference = 60*dH - 10*(dH+dY) = 50*dH ? 10+dY.

The value dY can be made very small as any value below the horizontal will satisfy the above scenario. 

Since the externally applied 10 unit force cannot provide this work or energy difference, we must look at other contributors.  The only other possible choice is the tension of the string.  Thus this particular ?non-ideal Lee-Tseung pull? also shows that gravity provides the additional energy via the tension of the string.

Is that clear???

*****I would like to emphasize that the initial position of the pulley and the 10 unit weight is deliberately placed below the horizontal.  Thus the pull from the 10 unit weight has no upward vertical component while it is in this below horizontal position.*******

ha ha ha. Are you now kidding me? That is exactly why I drew that fig showing torque direction. If two forces are on opposite side of pulley and if the direction of pull is same, no matter where you pull it from, above or below horizontal, your other side is going to move in exactly opposite direction.
In other words, if you are pulling your external load down from either above the horizontal line or below it, your bob side is always going to go up. Please refer to my diagram in related post for better understanding.
And if you seriously do not understand it, please open any mechanics book and read about inclined pulley, torque, direction of torque etc.

Literally, ask any kid who has done primary mechanics and he will tell you that you are clearly lifting it with a pulley. Try it yourself. If your direction of pull is downwards, no matter below or above horizontal, direction of equal and opposite work is always going to be upwards.

[Kul_ash]

@top_gun

And I know what are your trying to do. You are trying to "lead me around" now! 
I showed problems in pendulum14 and pendulum21, you shifted to pendulum08.jpg. I showed you problems with pendulum08 , you just informed me that you changed it and tried to get me in to slide 4, the final displacement slide. Now I reprodcued your changes in new pendulum08.jpg and showed basic problems, you now shifted back to pendulum21.jpg. I already answered you and your are trying to round and round.
I am well versed in these games  What happened to problems with new pendulum08.jpg?

[Koen1]

@Kul_ash: yep, that's what he tries to do. He tries to divert your attention to other
drawings he made, hoping that you'll forget how wrong he was in the other drawings.
He also tries to make the discussion so confusing and mixed up you loose sight
of the original point you were making. Both standard Tseung tactics for scaring
off people who see how silly his idea is.

You can again clearly see "Top Gun" is the same person as "Tseung" because
nobody else in this forum and thread uses the forum message number to refer to
a previous post. All other people choose to simply quote or restate the point they
are trying to make. Not "Tseung", he insists you go back half a thread and read
the posts he names by number, clearly hoping to discourage you from replying
after you've read through tons of his crap.

Perhaps he will finally shut up after realising he can't convince us of his lies...
But it is equally likely he is paid by the Chinese govt to spread disinformation
and distract the westerners from developing true OU devices... He does seem
to have an illogical fascination with secret services (and "the likes" )...
... aha! Now we've found you out, "mr. Tseung"... or should I say... doctor No!!