The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[ltseung888]

http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=285#285

Mr. X is an influential person in China.  He and team provided seed money for Sun et al on a Pulse Motor Prototype.

Tseung: "I know that you have already provided seed money to Sun et al to develop a Pulse Motor Prototype. Do you think you might consider seed money for the Chas Campbell device also?"

Mr. X: "My Advisors and I read the overunity.com posts. It appears that the Chas Campbell Electricity Magnifier Flywheel is still in an early development stage. My Advisors could learn much more with a visit to Tsing Hua University than a trip to Australia."

Lai: "I would like to lay out the comparisons:
(1) Chas Campbell uses Flywheels instead of Cylinders. (He knows the importance of having weights at the rim to increase the centripetal force.)
(2) Chas Campbell has no auto-adjustment mechanism yet. (Adjusting the belt tension by hand is not close to auto-adjustment.)
(3) Chas Campbell has given out the exact dimensions and type of motor and alternators for others to replicate. (There will still be considerable resonance tuning. A marketable toy will be better - goal of Sun et al.)
(4) Chas Campbell has no theory to explain the source of energy yet (Tsing Hua University and Sun et al have accepted the Lee-Tseung theory).
(5) Chas Campbell has no team to back him up. (Tsing Hua University and Sun et al have access to the best experts in China including Lee and Tseung.)"

Mr. X: "In addition, I can monitor Sun et al easily. They are in China. I do not want to run the risk of the 225 HP Pulse Motor experience - the USA Government refused export of the device even though the Funder was Chinese. I do not mind funding a replication of the Chas Campbell device in China when appropriate."

Lawrence Tseung
Fear of Foreign Government Actions Leads Out non-support of the Chas Campbell device (but Leads Out seed money for Pulse Motor in China).

[RoadRunner]

I think you misunderstood me, I did not say that Milkovic's device is worthless, I simply said it is not the perpetual motion machine he claims it is.

No, I think I understood. I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was arguing.
My comment wasn't really meant in argument or opposition to yours, it was a 'looking on the bright side' sort of comment... I'm still impressed and I think the guy's come up with a great device and a phenomenon that is worth fixing in the memory because I can see me using that as a means to solve future problems... You know.. You look at a problem and your brain rummages through the mental toolbox...?
He's just added a new lever to mine...
However, I didn't realise he was trying to claim OU...   

I think I'm going to build one of those nodding donkeys to play with for a while it does look like it has some interesting properties and I'm going to see what sort of things I can get which will drive the pendulum...

His point about it not stalling under load like many other means of energy transfer is not only valid, I think that it's almost the other way...

If the head is loaded down and its motion has been suppressed, the pendulum should 'idle' better.
The way I understand it... Once the head is nodding, the instability of the pendulum's fulcrum will cause it to lose some of its ability to resonate nicely and it's energy will be lost into moving the arm/head section...
It's the sort of thing that someone trying to build a good pendulum would normally avoid like the plague... But this guy investigated the phenomenon of a wobbly fulcrum and actually found something darned useful... But if he's trying to claim it's OU... or Perpetual Motion  (It sure ain't PM !!!)... Then Hmmmmmmm!!!! Stick his thumbs under that hammer and we'll play patty-cakes with his pendulum for a while.....

However... It has this 'Hey look at me... More out than in...' thing about it...
Much like magnets and steel balls, bessler wheels, and Perendev motors.

Raising a hammer and smacking a surface is a pretty easy sort of calculation to work out and it should also be an easy enough thing to measure.
Likewise the energy in to a pendulum.
The entire system (with pivots, bearings and so on) would surely have more losses overall than a hand on a hammer... (possibly slightly harder to account for very accurately in experimentation without a good lab...) but it shouldn't be too hard to get a reasonable guestimate.

Hmmm.... Time to play, I think.
You say you've already built one or more ? And have measurements/data from such ?

I did see a piece of paper with a formula on it but that was all Russian to me...

This is not just an interesting phenomenon, it's also an interesting little puzzle...
I want to see why it appears to be a 'more out than in' system compared with the available 'work' and convential methods like levers and cogs. If it were a double stage lever, for example... How would its output compare. IE... stroke length/force in/force out etc.

Time to dig out the strain gauges, I guess...

Doh... I originally came here to read about Bedini motors and bessler wheels and now I'm doing pendulum experiments... No... It's not an ADD problem, it's a 'This world's just too darned interesting and I'm a knowledge junkie' problem...

Heheh.

The RoadRunner..

[ltseung888]

Quoted from: http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=287#287

One of the most asked questions is:

If the Lee-Tseung Theory is correct, are there any working prototypes or experiments to confirm the theory? The answer has been repeated multiple times. A good summary was presented to the different groups of Chinese Officials in September 2007 at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Hong Kong. The presentation file can be downloaded from the bottom message of Page 19 of The Lee-Tseung lead-Out Theory
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg49083.html#49083

There were at least 12 systems quoted (in China and outside China). Any positive confirmation will provide evidence to support the Lee-Tseung theory.

The Pulse Motor that is ready for ordering; that can generate more output power than input; that can be demonstrated now; that can be purchased now is the EBM machine from Hungary. The website is http://www.gammamanager.com. They have not explained the theory behind their machine in terms of the Lee-Tseung theory yet. That is understandable as they developed their machine before the Lee-Tseung patent information was available to the Public on July 27, 2006.

One of my tasks is to work with gammamanager.  I can provide them with the Lee-Tseung information at zero cost.  It will be win-win.

Lawrence Tseung
The EBM machine is an example of a Pulse Motor that can confirm the Lee-Tseung theory

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Roadrunner,

I think you should have a really good look at the work of George Constantinesco. Much of what Milkovic is saying is right there in Constantinesco's patents from the 1920's.

His Torque Converter is worth studying.

Constantinesco, incidentally, developed a machine gun mechanism that enabled the gun to fire through a running propeller of an aircraft for the British air force. He had over 100 patents to his name, most of which were used in real life, not like MIlkovic's.

If it ever comes to a challenge I believe Milkovic's patents are not worth the paper they are written on outside perhaps Serbia.

Hans von Lieven

[RoadRunner]

G'day Roadrunner,

I think you should have a really good look at the work of George Constantinesco. Much of what Milkovic is saying is right there in Constantinesco's patents from the 1920's.

Howdy, Hans.
I've never heard of Constantinesco. I'll look him up when I get the chance... Thanks for the pointer.

Constantinesco, incidentally, developed a machine gun mechanism that enabled the gun to fire through a running propeller of an aircraft for the British air force.

I've heard of this invention but I wouldn't have been able to recall the name of the person behind it.... and I don't mean the pilot or the gunner !!!
We used to have a really good TV programme in the UK called 'James Burke's Connections' when I was a kid... He used to wander through history pulling out interesting inventions and events and tying them all together and jumping back and forth between stories and demonstrating how they interelate.
It was a great series... I seem to remember that it was covered on that... I remember that moment of 'Ohhh yeahhhh....!' when he pointed out the obvious, that a machine gun needs to be synchronised with the timing of the propeller...

If it ever comes to a challenge I believe Milkovic's patents are not worth the paper they are written on outside perhaps Serbia.

Ohhhh well...

I thought he'd come up with something new....

I've been playing about with models of this in WM2D... I really must get myself the full copy, it's a real pain having to rebuild everything that I want to play with... The evaluation version doesn't save out..

The RoadRunner..