DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

[Evil Roy Slade]

In real water there are lots of things going on, molecules
swap atoms, the molecules keep on going to build clusters
and "hang out" in different ways.

Hi Fritz,

Firstly, I cannot agree that atoms 'swap' amongst molecules under normal conditions. Can you quote a source for this statement?

Secondly, clustering of water molecules is a normal phenomenum due to their dipolar nature. However these clusters form and reform naturally and without any external impetus. There is near zero energy stored in the very weak bonds of a cluster hence little can be released by breaking them.


ERS

[fritz]

In real water there are lots of things going on, molecules
swap atoms, the molecules keep on going to build clusters
and "hang out" in different ways.

Hi Fritz,

Firstly, I cannot agree that atoms 'swap' amongst molecules under normal conditions. Can you quote a source for this statement?

Secondly, clustering of water molecules is a normal phenomenum due to their dipolar nature. However these clusters form and reform naturally and without any external impetus. There is near zero energy stored in the very weak bonds of a cluster hence little can be released by breaking them.


ERS

google, first hit:
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~acarpi/NSC/7-ph.htm

There is a nice introduction on water at Hans?s homepage -
additional there is a nice link somewhere in this thread:
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/index2.html

I don?t want to break or store energy in the cluster.
I just wanted to give an example what "shell?s" can be.
In this case, clusters will not participate in energy transfer -
maybe they are needed to get a special configuration
for this purpose ...

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Consider the following: Keely says that before you can act on a mass you have to determine its mass chord. You then have to level a flow of vibrations at it which is in strict harmonic relationship to that mass chord. Then, and only then can a chord antagonistic to the mass chord be introduced that will reach into the heart of matter and enables manipulation.

Now we know about water clusters. We also know that there are only dominating forms of clusters under varying conditions and never a uniform cluster formation throughout the liquid.

Now each cluster would have its own natural frequency. Even in a liquid with a dominating cluster formation there would be many clusters whose mass chord is antagonistic to the dominant form.

Now what if the main flow of vibration does nothing more than create a uniform cluster formation, somewhat like a crystal lattice. Now the liquid acts as a whole in terms of vibrations and can be manipulated with very little energy input by levelling some antagonistic flow at it.

Perhaps this is Keely's "secret". What  do you fellows think?

Hans von Lieven

[Pirate88179]

Great theory Hans.  Kind of like using the the main flow to line up the dominos and then a very small input (finger) will knock them all down once properly aligned. I like it.

Bill

[hansvonlieven]

You got it in one Bill,

This is exactly what Keely is saying.

Hans von Lieven