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DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

Started by hansvonlieven, October 03, 2007, 02:04:46 AM

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fritz

Hi, ERS,

With "topologic shells" I mean stages.
It would make some sense here to study
the very nice keely hompage from hans. www.keelytech.com.

In case of the dissociation of water this shells (could) be:

1. technical carrier wave just used to couple into the media
2. wave to "freeze" water clusters
3. wave to separate water clusters
4. wave to resonate the isolated cluster
5. wave to crack the cluster

This is just an example how I think Keelys technology works.
Right now I?m in a stage where I want to find out about the
nature of Keelys technology.

Pls. don?t take the church example to serious from physical
point of view - as well as the other stuff I posted -

rgds.



fritz

@ERS
Church - huh -
If the church is resonating - you can feed extra
kinetic energy during the phase where the kinetic
power of the oscillation dominates.
If the oscillation is at "top" or "bottom" where the potential
energy is maximum - (would be same as non-resonating church)-
the damping is maximum.
This would mean that for an energy transfer as described in my last
mail - the resonance frequencies have to be in a monotonus order.
f1<f2<f3.
So its possible to transfer kinetic energy of higher frequency during
the kinetic phase of slower oscillation.
(you cannot excite the church ringing the bell) ;-).

rgds.

Again: These are no claims, feel free to comment.

hansvonlieven

G'day Fritz and all,

Your example of the church and the bell is a good one, it proves you understand what Keely was on about.

One way of making this work is to chip away at the church and the tower until both are tuned to a harmonic of the bell. Now you have a clean path for energy transfer. Keely called that graduation.

Keely had no other way to get the vibrations to where he wanted them, he was forced to use the entire structure as a conductor. We don't need to do this anymore, we have now other ways of inducing resonance in a cavity.

That is where I see the development.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Evil Roy Slade

Sorry guys, I must be missing something.

Why are we trying to use a by-product harmonic instead of trying to generate the actual resonant frequency we need to act upon the target, in this case the water molecule?

ERS
I thought I was wrong once...but I was mistaken.    Oscar Wilde.

fritz

@ERS
If there would be a single water bond hanging around
somewhere in space-time - there would be some
possibility to crack it with a primary oscillation tuned
to its resonance frequency.
As you stated some posts before - this frequency is
quite high and the energy needed.
In real water there are lots of things going on, molecules
swap atoms, the molecules keep on going to build clusters
and "hang out" in different ways.
By using well choosen harmonics - I think its possible to
organize a well configured transfer path down to the molecule
level - which gives a robust way to crack it - keeping the primary
frequency low.
I think that the self-resonant frequency of the water bond finally is
generated by inducing high power densities which exploit nonlinear
transfer characteristic at the "last mile" to the bond. This nonlinear
behaviour generates even higher harmonics which finally cracks the bond.
- so there?s no need to generate the water bond self harmonic.

@Hans,

I think that Keely is using some other effects on top of "graduation".
If you have 2 connected resonators working on different harmonics -
you can transfer the energy from one resonator to the other and back.
(thats somehow veljkovich (or how to spell) 2nd order pump stuff in 3rd dimension).
By having standing waves and "beat sensation" frequency setup - you can
alter the acoustic impedance of the energy transfer point between the resonators -
which gives you the chance to control the distribution of energy between
resonator 1 and 2 by means of "acoustic" control.
This effect can be used to commutate an acoustic "motor" or to produce
shock waves (of high density) to exploit nonlinear behaviour - as mentioned above -
to generate very high and powerful harmonics.

rgds.