New magnet motor approach

[ken_nyus]

Main problem is i leave for bootcamp next sunday...Oct 28th

Good luck in bootcamp!

[Low-Q]

I've been experimenting with the effects iron on magnets.
People say its not a shield, and i agree...its more like a rerouting conductor for magnetic flux.
Shield or not you can still achieve the desired affect of any so called shield.
I take apart different size transformers and electric motors and disassemble the laminations into individual slices that they were originally made.....Using various size neo mags i jus mess around and really see the actual physical reactions of the laminations and magnets, without any software predictions or anything.
...Since each lamination is very thin i can fine tune the thickness of the shield to achieve the desired affect.
Too thin and theres barely a difference if the shield was there or not...Too thick and the magents with have a strong attracting force to the laminations. Just right makes it so that the magnets dont interfere with each other making it so theres no pull towards the laminations or repulsion from each other...The desired affect is achieved when you can move like poles in close proximity of each other with much less energy than without the shield or no energy. I can change the thickness of the shield and make two like poles barely repel or barely attract to the shield wich ever effect is desireable or have it at the neutral point. Different magnets, shield thickness, and proximity are what changes this effect.
Without all the software i think this is key concept that needs to be taken advantage of. Bringing like poles together with little or no energy is like bringing a ball to the top of the hill. plenty of potential.

1st picture just shows to mags opposing with  A LOT of force in opposite directions.
2nd just shows the magnets in close proximity with no repulsion.

I just used them to help illustrate what i mean.

I've seen a desin that takes advantage of this effect but is not too efficient. I think it was russian but he had a piston much like a car piston with a crank but the piston is magnet and uses a like pole and TDC to repel it back down, but uses a cam timed shield to bring the two mags in close proximity. It was a very crude design but mine is much more effecient and a takes a totally different approach to using this characteristic...Hopefully i will have it done soon, once my brother freaking goes to his storage and get his dang router(wood router.)

This is well known physics. However, the drawback of such magnetic setup, is that you will have repelling forces when the magnets are further apart. In a closed loop - as I assume you'll looking for at the end - must have a state where the magnets are in a greater distance, the iron is placed differently, and so on. In these parts of a closed loop, you'll find unexpected, or at least not taken into account, forces that will work against the desired rotation. The magnet setup will at the end just be a magnet with magnetic lines in a closed loop, and no rotation. Well, that's my experience. However, with right timing, allways right amount of "shield" etc. you'll probably succeed. I did come f...ing close once, but not "there". If you use Femm, you can simulate this setup, and find that there is in a sertain magnetic setup (including iron parts etc) in fact greater force in one direction. The problems occours when the path is infinetly long, or closed circle, or you duplicate several magnetic setups in a row. All forces are then suddenly cancelled out...damn the laws of physics

Vidar

[Thaelin]

   Just for fun, Femm the setup to have say six wheels with only one mag track on each. Then each out of sync with each other. This was so sad he had to jump off to boot camp now. Think he was onto the right track. Just use cold roll iron instead of soft regular iron. Doesn't like to hold a mag force.

thaelin

[skycaptain]

Im going to cut the shield out of regular 16 guage 6"x18" sheet metal since it would make it much easier to make. Since the laminations were pre cut and made for whole different shapes and sizes it would be hard to piece together a 180 degree of about 6 inch radius piece out of little strips....but yeh couple days left...but im going into the navy as AT aviation electronics tech. help build on my passion..but definately will still persue once i get back.

But as for the fem setup....i have fem downloaded and installed on my computer but i havent gotten around to reading the 178 page or so manual....If someone is fluent with it would it be to much of a bother to try a model?

[Low-Q]

Im going to cut the shield out of regular 16 guage 6"x18" sheet metal since it would make it much easier to make. Since the laminations were pre cut and made for whole different shapes and sizes it would be hard to piece together a 180 degree of about 6 inch radius piece out of little strips....but yeh couple days left...but im going into the navy as AT aviation electronics tech. help build on my passion..but definately will still persue once i get back.

But as for the fem setup....i have fem downloaded and installed on my computer but i havent gotten around to reading the 178 page or so manual....If someone is fluent with it would it be to much of a bother to try a model?

If you could make an easy understood drawing of what you want to simulate, I'll be happy to help you out

Br.

Vidar