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Single Wire Tests

Started by duff, October 31, 2007, 03:42:00 AM

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turbo

#115
January 21, 2008, 04:37:10 PM
Hi Hans,  :)
You have a short circuit going there!!
Take a close look, and dont try that with car battery's  ;D

If you move some points of connection and use high frequency/voltage alternating current it would be also an intresting experiment.
There are always two things on my mind, one of them is Marks Tpu and the other is Hydrogen On Demand.
I keep thinking more about Marks Tpu because it runs without water.
Maybe it's  time for me to start playing with fluid too.....

M.

eldarion

#116
January 21, 2008, 05:27:48 PM
Bruce,

I have a few more questions for you, if you don't mind:
1. Were these two homebrew square wave generators synchronized in any way?  I am assuming that they were not,  which opens up some interesting possibilities.
2. Were they current-limited in any way (resistors, tiny output driver MOSFETs, etc)?  I just want to rule out the possibility of 750mV, 10-amp surges causing the effect. ;)
3. Closely related to #2, what was the approximate resistance of the coil secondary for DC?  High (above 5-10 ohms)?  Or did it appear more like a dead short?
4. Were the square waves unidirectional or bidirectional?  I.E. did the pulses from one square wave generator by itself go both positive and negative or just positive, with respect to zero volts (ground)?
5. And finally, was the output stage of each square wave generator push-pull or some other configuration?

Thanks!

Eldarion

EDIT: If you could tell me the model number of the signal generator kit you used I could probably answer a lot of those questions on my own... :)
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Bruce_TPU

#117
January 21, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: eldarion on January 21, 2008, 05:27:48 PM
Bruce,

I have a few more questions for you, if you don't mind:
1. Were these two homebrew square wave generators synchronized in any way?  I am assuming that they were not,  which opens up some interesting possibilities.
2. Were they current-limited in any way (resistors, tiny output driver MOSFETs, etc)?  I just want to rule out the possibility of 750mV, 10-amp surges causing the effect. ;)
3. Closely related to #2, what was the approximate resistance of the coil secondary for DC?  High (above 5-10 ohms)?  Or did it appear more like a dead short?
4. Were the square waves unidirectional or bidirectional?  I.E. did the pulses from one square wave generator by itself go both positive and negative or just positive, with respect to zero volts (ground)?
5. And finally, was the output stage of each square wave generator push-pull or some other configuration?

Thanks!

Eldarion

EDIT: If you could tell me the model number of the signal generator kit you used I could probably answer a lot of those questions on my own... :)

Hi Eldarion,

It has been a long time ago, but I will give it a stab.

They were not synchronized.  We used my partners scope to find the frequency of each gen, getting them as close as possible, and then put it on both ends of the coil.

Yes they were all current limited for circuit protection.  My partner built the three of them (he has three) from kits.  I will have to find out what type, or he can post it here. 

For question three, I am not sure.  I posted on brnbrade's original thread, before his claim of OU as I attempted to replicate his first description.  On that post, I say how many turns of what size wire for the secondary.  I can't recall right now, but if you find that post, it perhaps would be simple math to determine the resistance based on wire size and length.

Question 4, if I recall, all square waves were positive only.  As shown in the scope picture.

Question 5, I do not know.  I will find out the make of the kit and perhaps that will help. 

I am sorry I can't be of more help.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Motorcoach1

#118
January 21, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
Heres something interesting I found and have not seen or missed because it was not listed as we know it and maybe you have seen this .           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmJpPRprlg&feature=related  .       

hansvonlieven

#119
January 21, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on January 21, 2008, 04:37:10 PM
Hi Hans,  :)
You have a short circuit going there!!
Take a close look, and dont try that with car battery's  ;D

If you move some points of connection and use high frequency/voltage alternating current it would be also an intresting experiment.
There are always two things on my mind, one of them is Marks Tpu and the other is Hydrogen On Demand.
I keep thinking more about Marks Tpu because it runs without water.
Maybe it's  time for me to start playing with fluid too.....

M.

Sorry mate,

I should have drawn the LED's in. I thought everybody would get the idea without them. Mind you , the electrolyte will probably act as enough of a load.

My apologies, I'll fix it.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx
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