Single Wire Tests

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Marko,

The electrodes in this set up simply act as terminal posts. The idea is for the electrolyte to become the equivalent of your single wire.

Hans von Lieven

[turbo]

G'day Marko,

The electrodes in this set up simply act as terminal posts. The idea is for the electrolyte to become the equivalent of your single wire.

Hans von Lieven

Hi Hans
the single wire experiment was about one wire with 4 connections.
in one end of the wire the electrons are running from left to right and in the other end (area) of the same wire the electrons are running in opposite direction,from right to left.

the two seperate flows do not cross each other.
if they would cross it will result in the classical series or paralell switched circuitry as we know it today.

in your setup the both sources are connected to each other on two the same poles.
in the single wire experiment the two circuits use one area of the same wire without affecting each other.
they simply "share" some of the same wire without them being closed looped to each other.

Marco.

[hansvonlieven]

I see Marko,

We are talking here at crossed purposes. There were two experiments by Rosphere, The first one is the one you are talking about where each circuit had its own section of the single wire.

In the second experiment he used the whole wire for both circuits. This is the one that fascinates me, because I think this area has never been fully investigated, simply because early experimenters had no access to diodes or LED's.

In my view some really interesting new phenomena will crop up.

This is the experiment I am referring to:



Hans von Lieven

[turbo]

ah , i see
now i understand.
the lightbulbs in the experiment were 12 volt halogen bulbs not LED's.
but there are many things to try 
in the experiment Rosphere showed, the wire in between virtually not exists.
but i can be wrong, if we do not keep on trying things, we will never find new phenomena.
so all i have to say is....fire up the jars 

M.

[Rosphere]

In the second experiment he used the whole wire for both circuits. This is the one that fascinates me, because I think this area has never been fully investigated, simply because early experimenters had no access to diodes or LED's.

In my view some really interesting new phenomena will crop up.

I used what I had on hand; substituting LEDs for bulbs, (and weak 9Vs.)  So, there is an additional diode effect that marco did not intend in his circuit that, perhaps, allowed me to use the whole wire length.  I sure would appreciate it if someone, with 9V rated bulbs and fresh batteries, could retry this.

in the experiment Rosphere showed, the wire in between virtually not exists.

Yep.  I called it a, "common ground."

Yet, when you think about current flow in the way that we have all been formally taught and trace the two paths in your mind, you must conclude that I have doubled the 'bandwidth' of my single wire. 

Further, we are taught in school that 'electrons' flow one way while 'electron holes' flow in the opposite direction.  So, there are actually four streams passing through the single wire.

Oh, I forgot to post my results of a further test of this experiment.  The single wire appears to generate no magnetic field.  (But I think I need to redo this test because I used stronger batteries and no LEDs or bulbs.)


EDIT: I redid this test exactly as before.  Then I removed the 'wire' and the LEDs still glowed.  Well, no 5h!+; it is just a one loop circuit with two batteries and two diodes.  Ugh, I felt like removing all of my posts from this topic so as not to confuse or excite anyone else.

Then, I replaced the 'wire' and noticed the following:  Since no two used 9Vs are the same, one of the LED's was glowing slightly brighter than the other.  I replaced the 'wire' and the opposite LED glowed brighter.  I repeated this several times and it happened every time.  So, there may still something going on here.  I am not sure what.  So, I will leave my posts intact.