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Self Running Micro TPU, with closed loop.

Started by EMdevices, November 12, 2007, 11:49:58 PM

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Groundloop

#530
December 20, 2007, 05:01:54 PM
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plengo

#531
December 20, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
@btentzer
my amp meter is 1ma total and it is showing .2ma so I think it is .00002ma? Right?

Fausto.

Bruce_TPU

#532
December 20, 2007, 06:00:43 PM
@ Plengo

At that amount, of .00002 ma it would have to run for 525 days.  That does not sound correct!  LOL 

Can one of the EE's reading this figure the math please?

How much amperage are you drawing on the 20 LED's?

@ ALL
Okay, I am becoming more convinced that here is something strange happening.  Here is what happened.

At about 8:30 this morning I took off the resistor from the 18 hours it was draining.  I allowed the battery to recover voltage until it reached 7.11 volts.  This occurred after a total of about 8 hours. 

So it took just over 8 hours to recover voltage (very little amperage).
After testing with the motor, the voltage dropped back down to about 3 volts.

Placed on the oscillator it has already gone past 7 volts to 7.09 volts showing, after less than one hour. 

Also a side note:  I added back to my circuit the smaller cap of 250 uf and the 5 LED's.  It seems with a load, the voltage rises faster, in the other battery I am testing.

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Groundloop

#533
December 20, 2007, 06:20:10 PM
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Bruce_TPU

#534
December 20, 2007, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Groundloop on December 20, 2007, 06:20:10 PM
@Plengo,

No, if the amp meter has a full scale of 1mA then what you read is what you use = 0,2mA.
There is a lot of light going on for such a low current. LOL

Ground.

@ Groundloop
I agree.  That is a lot of LED light for very, very, very low current.

@ Plengo
This does help to explain why the voltage was not dropping on this.  It would have to run for 525 days straight, to run the battery out at the amount of wattage you are using.  This is what, day two or three?  LOL

With such small current being used, one can not say quite yet, based on the volts rising, that the battery is being charged.  My metal hydride battery, goes up super fast in voltage when hooked to the oscillator.  The oscillator speeds that rise time up.  But does it add amperage to the battery?  We need to find some controlled test to determine that.  From what I have seen today in testing, these batteries will never show zero volts, and it is very easy to see the voltage rise, when not hooked to any circuit.  When hooked to an oscillator, the rise time is much, much quicker.  But we need amperage in the battery to convince that it is being truly charged, IMHO.

@ All
I took my drained battery that I then hooked to the oscillator, until it reached 7.13 volts, and hooked it to the motor.  Nothing.  Volts rise up, but no amperage in the battery.

I have decided to let this same battery charge all night and again retest for amperage in the morning.  LED's are to small of a load to test.

NOTE:
On a side note, using Plengo's super efficient circuit to light many LED's, say for a flashlight, that can run 525 days straight would be a great thing in itself.  I would want one for sure!   ;)

If we are to know the battery is being charged and not just tickled, something OTHER than the voltage reading must be the indicator.  Please feel free to post some ideas for tests.  Thank you.

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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