"Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?

[esaruoho]

anyone care to hazard a guess what "the flux switch transformer" is in relation to the 3 videos that have been posted by WITTS?

(from the 2005 writeup: "the gravity motor or the flux switch transformer, or the milliwatt dominant energy converter.")

[Pirate88179]

esaruoho:

Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?

Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.

You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I.  If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

I hope he really has something.  If he does, he is at the right place.  I have no problem for asking for money for operating expenses to get this technology out.  I would have to do that as well.  But, if you offered to freely digitize my videos so I could more easily contact the masses, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat.

We are all he on this forum for basically the same reasons.  I just hate to see good people get sucked into what I think is a dead-end scam.  Maybe scam is too harsh a word but, the pieces don't fit is all I am saying.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.

If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.

What do you think?

Bill

[esaruoho]

esaruoho:
Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?
Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.
You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I. 

hi bill. yeah, i offered to digitize. they said great! then they found out i was overseas, and the reaction was that it would be prohibitively expensive. i offered to pay for the postage, but there was never any response after that. which makes me believe that they chose a different method of approach.

If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

well. ive always been of the opinion, that the key is in opensource. you pick 5-30-150 people you trust, who know how to hold a soldering iron, who will build, and you  make the best stab you can, on your own, to do the most informative instructions, construction video, etc that you can, and you do a shopping-list, and make a kit. you pick 5 people, out of that trusted list of people, and send them the instructions, circuit schematics, the kit, shoppinglist, construction video.  youve picked well, and they construct the device, verify it working, write a diary during the construction, video the building. and then, you post all of that online (your instructions, kit and replication, their instructions, kit and replication). suddenly theres, say, 5 different replications of the same device, all documented working, with valid and accurate metering, etc. its not one guy with a webcam, its 6 people with webcams, all building it themselves. and then, you ask for donations, and sell the kit. thats how id go about it.
oh, and id send a care-package to keelynet, rexresearch, merlib  and  various alternative energy  r&d foundations, panacea-bocaf, for instance.
oh, and you send the kit, video and proper images to makezine, constructables and the other d-i-y hobbyists stuff.

what you DONT do is
1) litter the instruction pdfs with ranting against governments, oil companies, any people you deem bad
2) talk vaguely and with poor spelling
3) .. i cant come up with anything else.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.
If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.
What do you think? Bill

sure. i would donate. it is obvious from the two interviews, and the third (jeane manning 2005) that they are in fund-raiser mode. what are they saying they are raising funds for? they are raising funds for a factory, to massmanufacture their devices.. hence the overunity + waterfuelmuseum promotion and the 3 videos.  i understand its pretty hard to accept that any of the things that they are doing, that we consider  outlandish, wrong or reminiscent of hoaxes, are actually covered by the blanket term  of  attempting to get funds to build a factory to mass-manufacture.

and yeah, i am very interested in funding anything that would eventually mean that i have that keely heating device. afte rall, the interviews di dmention that you could fan the sphere while it is running, for it to be a room-heater. so, warm room and hot water, thats pretty ace!

i always play around with the idea, what would really happen if you could exhaust the need that people have for money, i.e., lets say, that the 6th and 7th episodes of energy from the vacuum dvd series would be released if someone threw, i dunno, 6000$ to them. or if the wilhelm reich documentary would be produced filmed and released if the wilhelm reich foundation got 150,000$. or if i could send 280,000$ to the earthship biotecture people so they can build an earthship in new orleans and educate the people there on it. or if i could get together 200,000USD to send to the guy who did "free energy - race to zero point" to finance the next documentary he wants to do, which will be focused on water, viktor schauberger, etc. and then theres WITTS. and institute of ecological technology community in malm?. i always wonder, how many wheels could we get rolling with say, a million bucks. but i never seem to win in the lottery. pisses me off, to be honest.

itd be nice to play a game of place the money, of microfinancing alt.energy inventors, organizations and communities, _exactly like http://www.kiva.org/ is now doing for 3rd world country entrepeneurs._

its a crying shame there isnt such a service yet. on kiva.org, people make their plea "i make shoes. i need 600$ for a motorbike so i can deliver shoes to my customers" and people donate 25$ or more to it, i.e. poor people microfinance other poor people. or slightly richer people microfinance slightly poorer people.

_there should be a kiva.org equivalent for free energy scene_. then people could make up their own minds as to who to support, and it wouldnt be such a drag. someone throwing hundreds of thousands to a scammer is way worse than say 20$ being thrown by hundreds of people towards a thing that just might not be a scam!_

..
anyway..

[Pirate88179]

I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.

What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)

Bill

[esaruoho]

I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.
What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)
Bill

erm, as far as i can see:
1) in 2005 they were selling one device plans per 100$ - thats not "on" anymore
2) in 2007 they were selling DVDvideos per 30-40$ - thats not "on" anymore
3) currently in 2007-2008 they are attempting to get as many people as possible to donate to them so they can massproduce their devices in a factory.

so im not sure what 300$ would achieve, except, according to the info available, 3 hours of consultation.
which is fine, if someone wants to finance james a. robey (waterfuelmuseum) to do another interview, im all for that.
the front page of the still-in-building witts page is asking for 300 people to regularly tithe them. i dont know if they are trying to get together 30,000USD, 300,000USD or 3 million USD. its very hard to say. 30 million usd? 300 million? a million billion usd?

i hope that whenever the website is finished and launched, they will have a ChipIn widget  so we can see 1) how much they are looking for 2) how many have donated  (via paypal).
that should help.

anyway, ive mailed james a. robey now and asked if he would be game to interviewing thrapp again, as a continuance effort. i think it could be interesting, he teased quite a bit out of thrapp by, well, being an english speaker, and amicable.