New Hexagon Cell Design: comments

[Dman27]

Bessler007,  That is very interesting. I am just taking a look at the site and going over the material.

It is heavy reading, but definitely supports what other testers have found on their own.  Namely, more Electrode exposure per given voltage = more production of HHO gas.  Also, More voltage will produce more HHO gas. I have been wondering why everyone has been using Stainless steel rather than better conducting material.  My guess would be expense and corrosion factors, but seems to be counter intuitive.  Will check back shortly after reading the rest of the site. 

Hello Dman27,

My guess concerning an increase of frequency was two-fold.  One supposition was that although increasing the freq would compress more energy in a tighter frame of time producing more power it would require energy to produce more power.  So the question would be is it worth it?

The second supposition was the lost time as they frequency changed polarity at the extremes.  The point of change seems to be just a point but these points accumulate as frequency rises.

From what I can gather the material of the electrodes is just as important (if not more so) than the surface area.  Some materials have more processes happening than simply the production of Brown's gas and energy is wasted by them.

Capacitance between plates might produce gas but in most cases there is an energy cost.  Without looking at a specific example it's impossible to analyze.

If I understand your explanation of the nature of your design it has two points.  One is to maximize volume and the other is to ?tune? it in an attempt to find the ideal freq to maximize Brown's gas.

From the link (U of Cambridge) below it seems the  best voltage might be an ac wave of a higher freq riding on a steady sweep of a slower rising dc wave (like a triangle wave).  I read the site kind of quickly and might have it wrong but since you have a better idea what you're looking for you most likely won't miss as much as I did.

Hope this helps.


Bessler007


http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/research/groups/electrochem/JAVA/electrochemistry/ELEC/contents.html

[Cap-Z-ro]

@ Dman,

Sorry for the late  return.  Re info on hho sources - there are a number of threads on here with great examples of production techniques and video links.

After seeing the bowl of water excited by manually applied sound vibrations producing small amounts of hho, I am of the mind that the key to on the spot hho lies in the combined application of resonant vibration and pulsed DC voltage.  Best of luck.

Regards...

[Dman27]

Yes, after reading through the course, you're right on the threshold voltage.  Even though that is known by testing and not understanding the theory behind it.  A couple of things seem to be pointed out in the course and after viewing dozens of videos and research they seem to jump out...

Again I'm interested in the merging of technologies using the most efficient techniques to lessen input power. 

On videos it "looked" to me that tubular cells were more efficient with a given voltage. It seems to bear true in the course that more H and O can be quickly removed from the Electrode by using convection methods to speed up the production of HHO (really exposing more of the plate by releasing the bubbles quicker) .

This would be the same with a hexagonal cell. 

 

Dman27,

I missed a point.  I think the electrolysis happens above a threshold voltage between electrodes.  If that's the case then as the voltage alternates there would be more than a point where no work would happen.  There could be the benefit of longevity for the cell but wrt gas production I can't see one.


Bessler007

[Dman27]

Thanks, been checking out the videos and research materials. 

That is interesting about the sound vibrations, how could this be combined into generator?

@ Dman,

Sorry for the late  return.  Re info on hho sources - there are a number of threads on here with great examples of production techniques and video links.

After seeing the bowl of water excited by manually applied sound vibrations producing small amounts of hho, I am of the mind that the key to on the spot hho lies in the combined application of resonant vibration and pulsed DC voltage.  Best of luck.

Regards...

[Cap-Z-ro]

Vibration of the plates is one method that springs to mind...and water is an excellent sound conductor.

Regards...