Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[JustMe]

The problem, Aether, is that you keep trying to change the configuration of the system. All that does is introduce new unknowns that add to the complexity of analysis. There is ALREADY a defined configuration of the system which displays this effect. Several people have duplicated it. It's known. It's stable. So don't keep trying to mess with it. The first priority should be to measure, study, analyse that system as it stands right now. IMHO.

PB

I disagree.  I think Aether's proposed experiments and others that alter the configuration are very valuable as potential sources of information on the qualitative properties of this affect.  I think it's an excellent line of parallel inquiry.  I look forward to his results.

[vince]

Larry

I'm using alternate north south magnets. I've tried the test at all speed settings and with the large coil it always shows about 1 gram increase.
To improve the results I think I need a heavier rotor, stronger magnet and better coils.

Vince

[aether22]

To solve the riddle of which one the best test may be the one where the generator coils feed an external coil which feeds flux into a (the?) motor, you could even maybe place a magnet for it to react against if you like (it may be needful) and then try energizing it with a conventionally produced current instead to see if the effect only occurs or is larger with the generator current than an electrically identical current provided from more normal means.

The problem, Aether, is that you keep trying to change the configuration of the system. All that does is introduce new unknowns that add to the complexity of analysis. There is ALREADY a defined configuration of the system which displays this effect. Several people have duplicated it. It's known. It's stable. So don't keep trying to mess with it. The first priority should be to measure, study, analyse that system as it stands right now. IMHO.

PB

All I hear is a spook going 'please don't learn more about this!'

[JustMe]

JustMe: If the motor is running at minimal slip it seems near impossible for speed that is in effect already maximum to increase notably. (the motor can not exceed the sych speed unless something besides the motor is having a motor action)

I guess I was asking if it was possible for the affect to increase torque independently even when speed is near max because many of the criticisms have focused on the inefficiency of running the motor so far under capacity.

[polarbreeze]

Introduce 1 large coil and rotor, no connection, minimum speed setting 1.7 grams 1.6 amps 120 volts
Short  output of single coil,speed accelerates, 2.7 grams,1.6 amps 120 volts

Regards
Vince

Very interesting results, Vince. It's excellent to have some torque measurements (or at least a proxy for now) because now we can start to see how much mechanical power the motor is really delivering to the device along the shaft. Some questions:

1. Are all those proxy-torque values measured under steady-state conditions? (ie rpm stabilized)
2. What is the steady-state rpm (a) without the coils (but with the rotor in place); (b) with the coils open; (c) with the coils shorted?
3. What do you calculate the power to be in each case (ie the mechanical power being delivered through the shaft to the rotor)?
4. What is the phase difference between the voltage and the current in each case?
5. Are these results obtained with the steel shaft or the brass shaft?
6. What is the comparison in all these results between the steel vs the brass?
7. What is the rating of the motor (rated rpm, V, A)?

I'm building a theoretical model of this and I'm looking forward to plugging in real numbers!

Thanks,
PB