Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

well,. there was a reason for saying that....

when it "wiggles", energy is lost from the system.  Granted, its not as much as when you restrict the wiggling - but both scenerios are bad for the system.

even working with your hands, its possible to make the appropriate adjustments to take all the wiggle out of the device. This is probably essential, as the losses in these systems are too great for the closed loop to function. We need to get rid of as many of these losses as we can.

[klicUK]

I was looking through some old stuff and found this...
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnetic_Motors:PM3

Not Triforce but similar in principle.

Maybe it's been discussed before in another thread, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention

regards,

klicuk

[mscoffman]

@ Omni -

   what i meant by that was a magnetic wheel - operated by another magnetic set-up
spinning out of control, exploding,  and shooting magnets THROUGH my walls.

This can always be controlled. Recall Finsrud's small brake magnets above the track. That's their role--to prevent the system going berserk.

So, that's the least of our concerns. Show me a device producing continuously excess energy and you'll be pleasantly surprised how this can be handled. Unfortunately, I don't see anything promising around. The only proven way so far is the discontinuous production of excess energy and one has to really figure out if it isn't an intrinsic situation inherent in this phenomenon. Something like the bound energy TdS, part of the enthalpy dH, which is always lost.

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you're wrong about that. little "brakes" dont work, its either Yes or No.
Acceleration or Decelleration.

you have to hit it DEAD on the mark - to get conintious rotation in that kind of set-up. which yur not going to do with a mock brack magnet hanging above. these things dont accelerate on a linear scale, its like 2x,4x,8x,16x.. and keeps on going. it can go from double digits to 4-5 digit rpm's in seconds.

Smoky you are correct in that an acceleration can accelerate something to any very high speed. What one would require
is a non-linear restraining force that goes up as a velocity^a, velocity rasied to the a power a where a>1.0 and the device needs to
be able to accept the device's full horse power wo. burning up. One brake often used is a fan where the non-linear braking force
is due to wind resistance that goes up as the cube of velocity. Another is magnetic eddy current braking as in a alternator
with a resistor as load. A Horse Power Dynamometer is usually simply a calibrated generator with a very large wattage
resistor bank. Pbrake=(I^2)/R with I  proportional to angular V, With a calibrated voltmeter used to measure the power.

I have a mental model of the SMOT ramp that shows that the height change of mobile weight on the ramp is
truely an unbalanced force that is not present when one magnet attracts another but seems to be vested in the
field being composed of increments and the weight moving between the gates along balanced force field lines.
I'm going to think about this some more but you may just want to dust off your device plans.

MarkSCoffman

[sm0ky2]

@ MarkSCoffman


Thanks for the input, i think you are absolutely right about that.
im thinking along the lines of "fan blades" around the device to accept a delivered wind resistance.
(or possibly create its own) - im not sure how to handle it properly without a sort of RPM measurement, to base the fan-speed on, and increase it appropriately.

[TheOne]

I received my magnets/balls yesturday. The one I was talking about the magnestix.

Here some photos of the balls/magnets.

http://www.cncfreak.com/trigates.php