Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

@smOky2,

Wait a sec now. Explain what you?ve really done.  Why do you say that:

the peculiar amazement of dangling octahedrons, theres nothing really spectacular here. just another interesting magnetic oddity.

Should one understand from the above that you?ve given it initial push before watching it spin for a while? If that?s the case there?s nothing in it indeed. I wonder if that?s the case in the original video as well?

in answer to your question the initial "push" was:  imbalancing the magnet fields, via a slight adjustment of the wings

this creates a chaotic-moment, starting the polygon into motion, which fades over time to a stop.
i dont feel anything pushing-back against the wings when i do this. and its so low-friction that ANY ammount of energy put into the system will "fly-wheel" for a long time.

it appears impressive because the object is imparted with a considerable spin. But theres nothing to keep it from spinning (friction, back-EMF, ect), so this is actualy not impressive at all. set a penny at 9-o'clock on a bicycle wheel you get the same thing.

[Omnibus]

Hope @CLaNZeR will come about and explain what he did. First and foremost, was his self-starting or he set it in motion by hand?

[Omnibus]

@smOky2,

Do you think that's what the original video was showing too? If that's the case we shouldn't be wasting time with it.

Just for the record, if that's not a big deal for you, it would be interesting to see a video of this chaotic moment started by the wings.

[Yadaraf]

@smOky2,

Wait a sec now. Explain what you?ve really done.  Why do you say that:

the peculiar amazement of dangling octahedrons, theres nothing really spectacular here. just another interesting magnetic oddity.

Should one understand from the above that you?ve given it initial push before watching it spin for a while? If that?s the case there?s nothing in it indeed. I wonder if that?s the case in the original video as well?

in answer to your question the initial "push" was:  imbalancing the magnet fields, via a slight adjustment of the wings

this creates a chaotic-moment, starting the polygon into motion, which fades over time to a stop.
i dont feel anything pushing-back against the wings when i do this. and its so low-friction that ANY ammount of energy put into the system will "fly-wheel" for a long time.

it appears impressive because the object is imparted with a considerable spin. But theres nothing to keep it from spinning (friction, back-EMF, ect), so this is actualy not impressive at all. set a penny at 9-o'clock on a bicycle wheel you get the same thing.

sm0ky2,

As you know, there many many many possible configurations.  I wouldn't give up so soon.  Tomorrow I hope CLaNZeR tells us more of his experience, since his configuration is different.

Because the octahedral rotor and triangular stator are physically connected to each other via a steel ball, it's entirely possible that there is some flux oscillating between the two as the device rotates -- somewhat like in the Perepetia device.  It's hard to picture how this thing works, and positive feedback between the stator and rotor might be worth investigating.

Cheers

Yada..
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[Omnibus]

I was looking again at @CLaNZeR's video. The device seems to slow down. Was it spun initially by hand or the spinning started by simply adjusting the wings as in @smOky2's case? The wind down seems peculiar, though, much longer than expected. Mine comes to a stop earlier and differently when set in motion by hand but that may be just because the conditions of my experiment are different.