Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi klicuk
Thats almost the same as the Trigate but the Trigate is attract to repel not repel to attract also the animation shows what my idea was for the TrigateMotor but using an airgap not closed loop like in the animation, what made the Trigate different is you can make any system go from repel to attract but attract to repel is a different matter and the Trigate does that meaning you can leave a system and come back into it so as I have shown you can cross and airgap giving you a greater chance of having a woring pmm, I'm not saying my idea will make a pmm because its untested but the theory to me is sound.
Take Care klicuk
Graham

[Omnibus]

@Rusty_Springs,

You still seem to miss the point. The only thing that matters is whether or not a given construction will lead to a pmm. There are numerous ways for linear magnetic propulsion known, better understood and more efficient. Violation of CoE using such magnetic propulsor is proven definitively. So, there's nothing new in linear magnetic propulsion. The only thing outstanding is to construct a working pmm. @klicUK and @CLaNZeR are doing exceptional work towards this goal but as of now, as the experiment shows, the probability that your so-called "tri-gate" will bring about the pmm solution is as remote as has ever been.

As I've said many times, it is unlikely that a pmm based on a single stationary magnetic field, no matter of how complicated a form it is, will ever work unless that magnetic field is properly assisted somehow by another independent conservative field. How this can be achieved is still unclear but that's the direction to go if we're to have success in constructing a working pmm.

Of course, I'm waiting with interest @CLaNZeR's experiments with the Halbach arrays because one may speculate that this is one direction to go in search for an assisting overlaid conservative field. Although I'd prefer a rational solution of that assisting field problem, as clear cut as in the analysis of SMOT, in view of it's more complicated nature when pmm's are concerned, the solution may first come empirically. Anyway, it doesn't matter how the solution will come about as long as it  really does.

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Omnibus
What point am I missing I understand that no one has shown that you can keep a pmm going with out changing the fields and I agree that it could be the only way you will make a pmm all I'm saying is if it can be done with tou changing the fields then a gate that attracts in and repels out is the way to do it because you can not close a magnetic loop so you need a airgap to give the design a start and finish point so you have to cross that airgap and the only way you can is if you repel out and attract in, even a ac motor is not a closed loop it using changing fields and attract in repel out to rotate it uses electricity to change the field but basicly its a magnetic motor or its using magnetic fields to spin. the only way I can see to change the field with out using electricity is by using soft iron as the rotor but with iron you can attract in but you still have the problem of moving out, if you could repel iron then you can make a pmm there is a way of repelling iron but in order to do it it must be touching a magnetic field, I can change the field of permanent magnets but it will take energy to do it because you have to move a piece of iron up and down between two horseshoe magnets, thats not hard the hard part is the iron has to be touching the horseshoe magnets so it takes alot of energy to move it, the point is until we can work out a way of changing the field in motion with out using energy from somewhere else then we ever have to see if it can be done with out changing the field or say it can't be done.
I except it may never been done and as I said I wont beleave it can be done till I see something spinning that I can biuld but it dosn't mean I have to stop trying and in trying I may learn something new or make a discovery no one has see before in trying theres still hope in not try theres no hope.
Take Care Omnibus
Graham

[sm0ky2]

@ Rusty

what about soft iron on one side, and the other side being Bismuth? if its properly oriented, meaning the diamagnetic axis pointing outwards, in the plane of rotation.....

the iron attracts in, and the bismuth magnetizes like the triforce gate - N/S in repulsion of the induced field in the iron.

which 'should' give it a kick out.

[Omnibus]

@Rusty_Springs,

The problem isn't in overcoming or not overcoming the air gap. The problem is before that, the barrier which exists before that. No matter what gate you'll make after that initial barrier, gap or no gap, it will serve no purpose, with regard to building a working pmm, if you don't solve the problem with that earlier barrier which you always ignore. That problem doesn't seem to be anywhere near solved with the tri-gate. As far as whether a pmm can be built in principle, that's another story, unconnected with the current problem (current problem is the existence of that initial barrier you tend to ignore).