Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !

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@nub

Registered 20th of March.
Post #1.
How convenient.
How typical.

@EM

If you all were Jack Durban, I'm sure you all would have done a much better interview because you are aware of the current level here. Come on guys, he's on our side. The side of the Truth. But read on first. Ouch.

@All

I had forgotten to commend all especially Jason during the talk show. Also, good to hear Stefan speak and confirm he is a true blue German accented nice guy. I just cracked up when he said "bailing wire". lol. No offense Stefan.

Please note the title of this thread. Maybe some good theories here can migrate to their own thread for keepsake because the tone here may soon change.

We have to realize that Jack Durban did not spend the last 10 years twisting and turning and having nightmares over this SM fiasco. Life goes on and life has been good to him and I think when he finally realized the fervor over SM, he only wanted to do the "right thing" and come forward, if not, just to give us some kind of understanding "to the best of his ability". No he did not spend days on end watching the videos, hours and hours scanning images, exploding them, making diagrams, postulating theories of operation. He certainly did not and would never consider calling SM "the Master". He also never spent days and days pondering every word SM put forth. But he did have enough contact and insight to offer us a first hand talk show view and written form of certain dynamics of the life around SM and I would accept the assessment of SMs level of acumen in this field. But if you are open enough to read between the lines, there is a great amount of information he provided that he may not even realize himself. I am convinced, now that he has set some of his attention to this, that he will remember other "facts" and "observations" that will eventually help us out. Also, when you put your face out there in front of the public and not hide behind your mothers skirt, this separates the man from the weezle.

Now we have to also consider that if SM did not even trust his closest friends since none of his entourage knew how the device functioned at it's base base level, then we have to also conclude that he would not be so forthcoming with perfect strangers here and everything he "may have explained" on the forum should be taken with a great deal of skepticism. Add that to the fact that there is a great chance that this was not even SM but someone else (like a shafted investor) who wanted to push us here to do more R&D to find how this device works, you can understand that this makes even less credible the information provided by SM. This has no bearing on @Mannix as I would perfectly accept the fact that he was only the conduit of this information or disinformation and not a co-conspirator. He obviously is just as not privy to the function as was his best friends. Habits die hard.

As for the line of thinking on the rotation of field as proposed by Jason, this will be another line of investigation, but given my understanding of SM and the level at which he discusses, or tries to pass his discussions, we must not take his words too literally. When he refers to rotating magnetic fields, in his mind, this could be simply alternating polarities on two coils per set at 180 degrees. His imagery in what is occurring with the field could be easily flawed, so again we have to be very careful to not jump to conclusions with his literal explanations. The guy did not even have a f&*kin scope. He got the device from who knows. Managed to replicate it with 4 million dollars worth of Radio Shack parts and major partying. Only the true inventor knows why it works. SM was a money grubbing replicator.

If this exercise could only achieve one thing that I am sure Mr. Durban would hope to achieve in coming forward and that would be to wake us up out of this SM stupor;

Many of you already knew what my true position is about SM a long time ago when I started discovering contradictions. But, some time during the last year, I have tried putting the bullshit aside and concentrate on what the devices really are in concrete observations, putting aside all the crap he fed us, he could not bullshit the device itself. So I said to myself let the device speak for itself. I have put forward the most concrete diagrams of the wiring and form. It was not an easy task. Companies would have paid someone big bucks to do all that work to this extent. And now, Mr. Durban has promised us a real good copy of the LPTU video so again, we can "let the device speak for itself" through even clearer observation. Man I can't wait.

But, I would add the following as MY personal baseline on SM;

- Trust your own gut feelings in your R&D, not on what SM said.
- There is no other Master but You (and Tesla of course). (Erf you're close.)
- Don't trust what SM said or did.
- SMs only motivation was Money, Greed and Glory.
- He does not give a shit about the human condition.
- He would not hesitate to lie to us just to keep us off the track.
- He could not support seeing us match his device or his glory.
- He thought he was so smart to keep this only to himself. He'll win the Shmuck Award.
- He was so paranoid that the device worked so simply that his EGO was flattered every time he came here talking with super-techno EEers as his personal exercise in self-aggrandizement.
- He did not give a f*&k about any of his investors nor all the effort people put in to earning (and maybe still paying for) the money he wasted away.
- As such, he does not give a f*&k about all the bullshit he spread on this board nor the time and energy expended to follow them up because he only considered us his competition and not students as we all had naturally imagined. I know it is a shocking thing but we have to meet the reality head on. I know. I know it's hard.
- There was no MIB, or government hindrances, etc. The only hindrance was himself and the hole he dug for himself because he is now hiding from investors and probably the police. hahaha
- He is a coward because the only thing that can save him is the truth and he will not meet it head on.

The only good thing about this is the following but let it be understand that I give no thanks to SM for this, because this is all the result of this fine collective;

- This has pushed many here (who know who thy are) to push the bounds in many directions that will open new realms of OU discovery. You just have to believe in yourself and your gut instincts and not on some story teller. The bounds you have pushed would have been pushed anyways and maybe in better directions had it not been for this story telling crap feeder.
- Regardless, the persistence of this forum and the Prime Objective has never ceased to amaze me and this in itself has earned this forum the respect it truly deserves. Not that the respect is sought but in all humility. Ya ya some would disagree.
- The caliber, variety and devotion of expertise here could not be purchased by the biggest of companies, so this OU forum is in fact one of the world's biggest not for profit OU seeking enterprises. Quit an accomplishment and kudos to Stefan for his undaunting stamina and devotion. (applause) (OK enough)

So this is it for me. I will no longer speak of what SM said. I don't give a f*&k what he said because he cannot be trusted. I will speak of "the device", what it does, how it is wired, and how it could actually work, but based on "concrete" evidence, logical deduction and testing and not on "stories". Example: In one of the videos he said (and this is my last quote) "we have over 100 patents on this device". Sure sure. This is a matter of choice. I can guarantee that if you trash all the verbiage and just concentrate on the device, this will be solved quickly in 2008. Yes this year. But if you are basing your discussion  on what he said instead of specific parts of the TPU, then you are basing it on worthless misdirection. I can only hope that each end every  one of you will learn to take back your power.

Bottom line, if you want to replicate something based on what a bullshitter told you, good luck. And thinking, let's not get SM mad or he won't come back here with some more lies is another illusion. He is mentally deranged. He managed to copy a stolen TPU. He managed to replicate it but probably not to the complete function. And now he seems perfectly fine with all this veneration given to his bullshit. The guys is a sick bastard of the lowest order and he does not deserve squat.

The information provided by SM is just as credible as that provided by Bush about weapons of mass destruction, and look where that went. You have to wake up and realize that some people are worst then the worst animal. So this is a choice and I think that I have a responsibility to voice this here so others of the same ilk know they are not alone.

As for Mr. Durban, thanks and thanks again. Don't pay any attention to the rufflers. They will always be. We await the video with great impatience. You can always contact me or anyone else on the board if you have any TPU questions yourself or if something comes to mind about the device.

[poynt99]

19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and
    be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to
    the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.

copper wire  please note this there is no iron bailing wire im tired of seeing it.

IF there was iron wire used in the device, who said, or what indication exists, that suggests it would HAVE to be the collector wire as you are implying?

[Earl]

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All that comes out of Durban's mouth is self aggrandisement and slur.

My, my, it is a good thing that Nomen luni never slurs anyone, nor puts words in their mouth.

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Still he did give us some useful info, like that SM's boyfriend was a paedophile.

First you slam JD for slurring people, then you say JD said that SM's boyfriend was a pedophile.  I don't remember Jack ever saying that.
Do I have bad ears, or are you slurring Jack with lies?

If you invented this, then it is time for you to keep your mouth shut.  Your extreme negative bias against Jack is well known and spewing venom brings nothing to this forum.  Create your own Web site and put as much hatred and poison there as you want, but please not here.

Earl

[LongTimeObserver]

1. If there ever was a man deserving of some knocking it is Steven Mark.

I'm a still a little perplexed that Jack is so hellbend on bringing SM down. We get it, don't believe averything SM says, but if his true intention is to aid the cause anyway he can, he should leave it behind. At the very least SM is the reason anything about this device is public at all.

3. There are several others doing this and are well beyond where Steven is. Once he realizes this watch how quickly he comes forward to help when his obsolescence becomes a self realization and his fan base loses interest.

So if Jack wishes to aid in anyway he can, maybe he can point us in the direction of these people that he know of that are "well beyond where Steven is". If any of you get in touch with him by any means this should probably be a point of further discussion.

LTO

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poynt99

i didn't imply anything the copper wire phrase was copied direct from SM's notes. I have no idea why but a large percentage of the forum went off exploring the use of iron wire for well over a year. Its seems pointless that SM would give outline of how the device works but so many go off on a tangent and do something completely different.

The fact is either you trust SM was trying to help in those early e-mails OR you dismiss everything ever recorded by him and work from a fresh.. The one problem with this is you then only have the vids to work by. Then this surely puts you at a disadvantage as you don't even have the benefits of design constraints to rely on.

Surely then its better to work to the guide book at that is believe to come from the horses mouth.  So each time an idea is raised go back and make sure you can tick off the list EVERYTHING on that list. If you cant then your idea is wrong.

One of the biggest debates and maybe obstacles is did the tpu require fired digital pulses or gentle sweeping analogue style oscillators?