The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)

[Grumpy]

The big thing seems to be "SM found a way to get the "Iron" coils close to the TPU without it killing
the effect."  If you agree with that statement, I would like to hear that from you.

I assume he did find a way.  Best way would be to get rid of the iron in the first place.

I have an important question (At least to me) that I would like to ask.  This "Signal" delay.  Does it
HAVE to be an Iron delay coil, or can I use (I'm trying it, but no success yet...) components.  In sticking
with older info, and assuming that certain info is correct, I was hoping to introduce the same type of
delay via several germainium (SP) diodes.  (Avoiding silicon, for obvious reasons..)  They seem to be
much less common, but I have a few and have been playing, but crisped enough to re-try without some
motivation that there could be results.  Am I way out in left field there??

The iron is an external delay for the coil.  Other tunable means for delaying the pulse should also work - try it.

Please note:  I have stated, for a long time, that I considered any magnetic material as a cheat.  I
know no-one remembers this, but I asked these questions for the specific reason of forcing people
in the know to bring forth more information.  (Seems that is starting to work, but who knows.)  My
favorite coil setup has NO Iron in it, but causes me trouble.   Very hard to get anything useful out
of it, until it takes off and fries all my components.  (That got old quick!)

Can you elaborate on this build?

OK, I've asked.  Now here we go again.  IF you need iron in the coil to produce the "Kick", or even
seperate. (I'll go for the Pic that "Bruce" put out.)   That's perfectly acceptable.  Now how does one
get this same "Kick" with no "Iron" coil.  My diode ain't cutting it yet.  (Probably never will.)  Spark
gap ain't in the agenda, that's different tech.   High pulse rate didn't help, and has gotten me nowhere
after spending quite a few (Around 40) hours making some nice coils with 40 AWG wire, in a nice
format and rotating the hack out of them with a "Borrowed" pulser for a laser (I couldn't keep it, many $$$)
(In Reality, --- Deleted --- Details are too stupid for me to admit...PS was too good, and I pushed at the end.)

Same kick with no iron - see Tesla, Bedini, etc.  You just knock the crap out of a coil with high self-induction and the effect comes out of it - you then collect it and convert to EM or use as RE.  It ain't rocket science, but I do wish someone would put the math to it and make it engineerable.

I really feel I must be too dumb for this, or am missing a key ingrediant.  At one time I really thought I
was going somewhere, but after all the time effort, and $, following what should have been a great method,
I had less output than my original flat, Tesla based, coil with turn organized like SM's original. (Sorta?)

I guess I'm just frustrated, and following too many rules, but that's why I started the inquiry the way I did.
It seems others are asking the same thing, but in better ways than I.  My Original, non posted, "Kick"
coil was actually a basic bi-filer coil being fed from an osc to one lead and through the "Garden" iron
wire coil on the other.  Yes, results were interesting.  The "Garden" coil was OK to closer than three
feet, but not too much.  What got me there was Unconnected metal had an effect as well.  Honestly,
that was so early in the stuff I did (Original from Bedini, when that info was going around) and before
I had even heard of OU.com, that I don't have pics, scope shots, or anything.  Just pulling out the
"Green" wire coils brought back a lot, and I am a pack-rat when ti comes to Junk.  Time to pull them
back out, and re-test all of that.  I do remember, that "Green" paint doesn't insulate well, and HV on
the coils shouldn't be touched.  (Strange how shocks improve the memory   )  I also clearly remember
that these setups, the Bi-filar coil at least, put out more than just a Kick, at HV. 

Note on spiders output.  I stated, IF the input and output were as I assumed, that would be a "Kick".
I state right now, If the output HAD the SAME peak voltage, with a "Wider" wave, that would have been
a Kick.  Now, seeing his most recient posting, it becomes obvious that that is the normal "Coil" effect.
(I only wish that the output wave peak HAD been the same height!!)

It take time to get your head around it.  Try thinking opposite to electromagnetic methods.

Tesla and Bedini's methods will achieve similar results.

Unconnected metal will affect - it is the plate of a capacitor - metal is also charged since it is a conductor.

Spiders coil and scope shots show that an iron coil delays a pulse.  It is not the "kick" we seek.

Sorry to all, I now feel stupid.  If I wind two more "Garden" iron wire coils, so I have four, and feed this into
the big coil bi-filer coils, I wonder.....  I (Dumb!!) actually never considered using that much space, just for
a test.  I have to assume that the Iron coils need the seperation from each other as well.  I guess I'll have
to clear a large space on a concrete floor (No Nails!) to get a free circle with a 6 foot diameter, just to test.
If that produces any output, I will happily accept being called stupid.  Time for me to wind now.

Art.

PS.   Another Dumb question.  If RE (In Theory) can be insulated by polymers, (Long String..) Isn't PVC
a polymer?  Chemistry was never one of my big things, but I Have been sticking to high-den Phenolic
tubes, just for that reason.  (From my Tesla coil days.)  If PVC is OK, someone PLEASE verify that,
because it would be much easier to obtain in various sizes.  If PVC is not a polymer, just let me know,
and I'll try to be less ignorant in the future.  (If no-one comments, I can look it up, but if your typing
already, and I can save the search time, that would be appreciated.)

Concrete is reinforced with iron unless it is very old and they used large rocks in it.

RE being a sort of dielectric effect is refracted by dielectric materials.  I suppose a particular thickness could block it and will definitely distort the wave.

PVC is a polar dielectric and lossy - not very good at all.  I try to use polyethylene, polystyrene, teflon - etc.

[giantkiller]

And the envelope please?.......

Here are 5 clues:
1: Look at the bell envelope shot. It grows on the off portion of the pulse. Excuse me? Where does that come from and how?

2: Grumpy stated that you snap the environment and it hits back many fold (paraphrase). It even states this in the Bible. Ask and you shall receive many fold. And what was this talking about?

3: Ronotte posted to Hit it once. I will. Before this is when the fires occured. Fires? Why yes, my equipment did the right thing and FETs burnt. I thought FET stood for Fire Emitting Transistor.

4: I used 26awg 40' of  copper and 26awg 40' steel on an iron wire bundle (hardware stores) with a cap in parallel with the copper being used as the driver coil. Steel sense coil.

5: You don't produce it, it comes to you. Things ran cool also, like not hot. How else would one see this? Hello? Has anybody else posted a shot like this? Nope. Alot of explanations tho.

Now if anybody wants in on this party then try that. Obviously the other attempts need too much of other things, like talk, outa the box thinking, milk and cookie stories.

The CU, Steel, FE combo did something. In the time it took the read the prior daily msgs and post this you could be past the darkness of questioning. Has the questions produced results? Not so far. Ding, Ding. We have a winner. I accept paypal transactions.

I'll bet that any posts that follow this are on the same old track. Ding, Ding. And we have another winner. Please come forward and accept your prize.

I am looking into Stanley Meyer's HHO circuit. I think he used 3 frequencies of Pulsed DC. Gee.... Look at his containment vessel. It ain't plastic.

--giantkiller. I got hydrogen to make.

[forest]

About "delayed" spherics coil.

How many "delayed" spikes is it able to  produce ? If you find the correct  iron coil size and a lot of "kicks" on scope , can you light a small neon NE-2 type using it ?

[poynt99]

ding ding? ding-dong

[forest]

ding ding? ding-dong

Hmmm Sorry, but my question was of practical nature. I have no scope, I have to have a way to SEE "kicks"  . Besides think about people who will be replicating this device in steps using cheap tools.
Bedini is a master of such approach and it works - I've build my SSG not using any measure devices (except neon  )

Seriously think about Bedini SSG coil, it's a kick coil without iron... (this is my experience not using scope so aI cannot prove it )   Just find kicks in "delay" coil , then test if you can replace iron by POT.