Roll on the 20th June

[capthook]

So I post numerous ideas/thoughts/testing ideas and get no response.
My last post expressed irritation and gets numerous replies.
Guess it's all about drama? 

One more thing people don't take into acount and thats magnets flow from the middle of each pole in two direction so if you have a same pole magnet comming towards another magnet the magnetic flux comes out from the middle in one direction pushing the other magnet away but if that other magnet passes the middle then the magnets flux moves in the opposite direction pushing the moving magnet out.
Now say your magnetic current is setup to repel a incomming magnet as the magnet roller moves in its setup to turn the current on and because the roller is not in the middle of the magnetic flux when the current is turned on the roller will be pushed away and in the opposite direction to what you want it travelling, it needs to past the half way point of the ferrite before it gets pushed in the direction you want it to more and its the opposite if your using attracting magnet it will attract to the middle and then attract back past the middle so comming in it goes in the direction you want and going out it goes in the opposite direction you want.

Despite my inexperience building mechanical devices from scratch, even I caught on to the fact that the idea of the switch is that the ferrite is "boosted" temporarily. What you've just described is not the use of the switch, you've described a magnet that is using a constant pulling force. It does not take a genius to figure out where Archer is going with this and your last post is waaaay off the mark.

Shak - While it can sometimes be difficult to understand what Rusty is saying due to poor writing skills, his knowledge and hands on experience with magnets is larger than most.  His comments are completely valid.
As are many points he makes - that many (most) ignore because they don't want to hear something that might contradict the 'boss' - and are annoyed (it does get tiring but seem to have subsided) at his frequent 'I did it first' comments.

Many are not familiar with the actual flux lines of a magnet.  While there are 2 distinctive poles (N,S) - each pole is composed of two quadrents. See the attached pic to see how each corner loops in an opposite direction.  A magnet passing another magnet will behave differently on the approach vs. the exit.  The larger/stronger the magnets - the more pronounced the effect.
This is the point Rusty was making and is valid in this application and to magnetic interactions in general.
I suppose this scenario might not (theoretically) apply in the "turn on/off" magnet if you could activate it and de-activate in a nano-second.

So the point he makes - and many he has made in the past - should at least be considered rather than dismissed.
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Anyone figure if x>y+z yet?

[Rusty_Springs]

So I post numerous ideas/thoughts/testing ideas and get no response.
My last post expressed irritation and gets numerous replies.
Guess it's all about drama? 



Shak - While it can sometimes be difficult to understand what Rusty is saying due to poor writing skills, his knowledge and hands on experience with magnets is larger than most.  His comments are completely valid.
As are many points he makes - that many (most) ignore because they don't want to hear something that might contradict the 'boss' - and are annoyed (it does get tiring but seem to have subsided) at his frequent 'I did it first' comments.

Many are not familiar with the actual flux lines of a magnet.  While there are 2 distinctive poles (N,S) - each pole is composed of two quadrents. See the attached pic to see how each corner loops in an opposite direction.  A magnet passing another magnet will behave differently on the approach vs. the exit.  The larger/stronger the magnets - the more pronounced the effect.
This is the point Rusty was making and is valid in this application and to magnetic interactions in general.
I suppose this scenario might not (theoretically) apply in the "turn on/off" magnet if you could activate it and de-activate in a nano-second.

So the point he makes - and many he has made in the past - should at least be considered rather than dismissed.
- - -

Anyone figure if x>y+z yet?

Hi Cap
Thanks for that and I think even thou I don't have the writting skills of most the points I make in most cases are not a hindrance but a help because there show what needs to be over come in order to make something work.
Take Care Cap
Graham

[exxcomm0n]

So I post numerous ideas/thoughts/testing ideas and get no response.
My last post expressed irritation and gets numerous replies.
Guess it's all about drama? 

Anyone figure if x>y+z yet?

DING! dingdingdingdingdingdingdingiding

Yes you have thrown them out, just like I and others did earlier dude,

The thing is that they were finally seen to fall on deaf ears because they (the ideas) were being asked of other people to implement.

This is why I decry DIY in the last days of July.

[shakman]

This may be what PP was referring to:
From http://www.surphzup.com/gpage.html
I made a deal with God when I was younger, to to be able to solve all puzzles, in exchange for which when i would provide answers to questions that would help mankind when needed.
....

Thanks MrBramble. This still does not imply direct communication with a higher being in my books.  I've made many deals with God, whoever/wherever he is. It doesn't mean I've spoken face to face with him. Nothing cuckoo there if you want my opinion.

So I post numerous ideas/thoughts/testing ideas and get no response.
My last post expressed irritation and gets numerous replies.
Guess it's all about drama? 

Sadly, that is often what these threads often come to. However don't think you are being ignored because no-one replies. Your suggestions more than likely get taken on board by many. Unfortunately it takes time

Shak - While it can sometimes be difficult to understand what Rusty is saying due to poor writing skills, his knowledge and hands on experience with magnets is larger than most.  His comments are completely valid.

Rusty actually has much better writing skills than most, and I have praised him previously for his knowledge on magnets (in fact, I did in that very post). But the point he has made is the very point we are trying to defeat. I may have overlooked the fact that he was trying to be helpful. I guess that part of his communication is often lost on me. So apologies if I was abrupt Graham, it sounded to me like you were writing the idea off, despite demonstrations which IMO showed that it could work. I've performed some basic demonstrations myself and based on these and X00013's vids (except for the one where he tries to make himself bleed  ) it's clear that not much effort is required to induce the effect, and the weight of the moving neos alone is enough to release them from the field immediately after the strong field is removed from the ferro, as long as they don't touch. This is why I was abrupt, a practical demonstration I performed myself with crappy materials proved the concept. Please continue to provide input. Maybe you could perform some experiments too, you might just find make some exciting discoveries!

Anyone figure if x>y+z yet?

We were hoping you could tell us  I'm in the early stages of experimentation. If something runs, then I'll try to figure out the numbers behind it. Until then, measurements at every step would be more of a speed-hump than anything. Observations are key at this early stage for most of us.

I've gotta pack for another holiday (lucky me!)  I'll be gone a bit longer this time, heading down the coast for the weekend then back up to catch a flight to NZ for some snowboarding. I might get a chance to check in again over the next 24hrs but after that, C U (all) Next Tuesday (week)  . Please don't kill eachother while I'm gone! We're starting to make some real progress!

shakman

[kude]

So I post numerous ideas/thoughts/testing ideas and get no response.
My last post expressed irritation and gets numerous replies.
Guess it's all about drama? 



Shak - While it can sometimes be difficult to understand what Rusty is saying due to poor writing skills, his knowledge and hands on experience with magnets is larger than most.  His comments are completely valid.
As are many points he makes - that many (most) ignore because they don't want to hear something that might contradict the 'boss' - and are annoyed (it does get tiring but seem to have subsided) at his frequent 'I did it first' comments.

Many are not familiar with the actual flux lines of a magnet.  While there are 2 distinctive poles (N,S) - each pole is composed of two quadrents. See the attached pic to see how each corner loops in an opposite direction.  A magnet passing another magnet will behave differently on the approach vs. the exit.  The larger/stronger the magnets - the more pronounced the effect.
This is the point Rusty was making and is valid in this application and to magnetic interactions in general.
I suppose this scenario might not (theoretically) apply in the "turn on/off" magnet if you could activate it and de-activate in a nano-second.

So the point he makes - and many he has made in the past - should at least be considered rather than dismissed.
- - -

Anyone figure if x>y+z yet?

I wonder if you are using the term flux properly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux I think most people understand the field lines of a magnet. Flux is the measurement of the quantity of the magnetism, and is proportional to the number of field lines.

You would have to view the field lines of the track to see how they form. Maybe a glass sheet with filings would show you. The traveler or roller magnet again alters the field lines of the system as it rolls.

I suppose you could do a track and measure things for yourself and then turn that in formulas that reflect what the wheel will be doing if anything. Some tracks show the kinetic energy going to the end and back and to the center. Then some tracks the roller ignores the end  and goes through it. Only testing with rollers and different sizes will show that crossover point. AQ says he has a key that eliminates the track end reversal.

I suppose if the wheel does work the math will come.