hydrogen and engine rust/ possible solution

[Dr.Greenthumb]

I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that petrol contains hydrogen in some form, which may explain the slight trickle of water comming from the tailpipe on some modern cars.

Carbon    83-87%
Hydrogen    10-14%
Nitrogen    0.1-2%
Oxygen    0.1-1.5%
Sulfur    0.5-6%
Metals    <1000 ppm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

It has a good amount of it. Some of that water is from condensation too. Seems like people saying a normal vehicle cant run on a mix of petrol/hydrogen is full of it. Once i have enough equipment and the right supply's to make sufficient hydrogen ill be doing tests on a number of engines. Also ill have the ability and know how to take everything apart and document everything.

[Bulbz]

I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that petrol contains hydrogen in some form, which may explain the slight trickle of water comming from the tailpipe on some modern cars.

Carbon    83-87%
Hydrogen    10-14%
Nitrogen    0.1-2%
Oxygen    0.1-1.5%
Sulfur    0.5-6%
Metals    <1000 ppm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

It has a good amount of it. Some of that water is from condensation too. Seems like people saying a normal vehicle cant run on a mix of petrol/hydrogen is full of it. Once i have enough equipment and the right supply's to make sufficient hydrogen ill be doing tests on a number of engines. Also ill have the ability and know how to take everything apart and document everything.

Good for you, I'm planning the same thing, as soon as my local scrap metal merchant gets a few sheets of stainless steel laying about.

[Sprocket]

@vdubdipr: Personally, I think most of the conflicting stuff is deliberately put out there to dissuade people from trying this stuff.  For instance, take the math issue - if this is true, then Stan Meyers and Daniel Dingel were frauds, which I certainly don't believe.  Furthermore, 'conventional' electrolysis math has been telling us for decades that its uneconomical to even attempt running your car on hydrogen, and as a result, they are trying to force their 'hybrids' on us, where we end up paying for gas and hydrogen!  Reeks of bigoil...

@ramset:  I don't have any answers, just voicing an opinion.

The inside of an engine stays Well well well above the boiling point of water so how would water form inside of the piston chambers?

You obviously never had a head gasket fail.  Water is pumped around the engine to cool it.  When the gasket fails, this cooling water leaks onto the very hot head, turns to steam and is blown out the exhaust.  This gasket failure is normally confined to a single cylinder, so any rust damage should be confined to this valve area. Generally, you need to have the whole head 'skimmed' anyway - mainly 'cos overheating will probably have occurred.

[raburgeson]

Straight hydrogen will not produce enough engine heat to evaporate moisture in the crankcase. Present engine design in autos are not sufficient for much more than 25% hydrogen. I have no idea were you can find a manufacturer that is presently selling a well designed engine. Prototypes heralded as the answer with dubious hours of testing are easy to get, finding one in production that has test units with 15000 hours or more on pure hydrogen fuel? I don't think that's available yet anywhere. I'm going to try water4gas when or if the check comes from this stimulus package. I would imagine the Mag system delivering enough hydrogen to fuel an engine has information on hardening an engine.If the info is anywhere look there.

[deltatechx]

I plan on running a turbo timer on my car, I don't want to take a chance of the massive amounts of water vapor in the exhaust rusting it out or the remaining vapor in the combustion chambers that have yet to be expelled rusting the valves, rings, pistons, walls, and/or cylinder head. I'm currently doing experiments with different electrolytes and electrodes for my HHO generator and have completely destroyed two stainless steel mesh drain covers so I would rather not take a chance on anything rusting over time.  Truthfully, I don't care if there actually is no chance of anything rusting out due to my HHO/water vapor set up I'm still going to run full gas and zero HHO/water vapor on idle and for a minute or two after taking the key out of the ignition just for the piece of mind. In fact, the water vapor system is only going to be active while the cruise control is on to prevent unnecessary water accumulation in the engine during "city" driving.

This is my opinion, use it as you wish.