Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[Yucca]

Cool Yucca.. can't wait to see your animation!  I believe that it has to use permanent magnets as an electromagnet takes too much energy.

Jason

Hi 4Tesla,

I've been out this evening for meal (chinese buffet... bloated! ) with my family and relatives so no GIF tonight, sorry.

You're right the electromagnets do take energy, but... the cool thing you can do with electromags is harvest some of that energy back, when you charge the electromag up the energy you put in goes into establishing a flux running through the core of the coil, then when you turn it off that flux collapses and induces whats called a Back EMF (electromotive force). that BEMF can then be captured in a storage capacitor and the energy can then be re-used to fire it next time.

With an efficient circuit setup it means you only need to put in a very small bit of extra charge each pulse to keep the magnet pulsing at full strength.

It's very similar to storing energy in a mechanical system using elastic components or inertia which only loses energy to friction. In electromag you lose energy to circuit resistance, it's very similar.

I think if the effect is as it's described then mechanical or electrical will both work OK.

Let's just hope that the effect does hoodwink Lenz, then we're all laughing!

Best, Yucca.

[maw2432]

Great discussion going on here.   
I thought of using the parts from one of those shake flashlights to do some testing. 
You can get one on EBay for under 8.00 US.   

Bill

[4Tesla]

Hi 4Tesla,

I've been out this evening for meal (chinese buffet... bloated! ) with my family and relatives so no GIF tonight, sorry.

You're right the electromagnets do take energy, but... the cool thing you can do with electromags is harvest some of that energy back, when you charge the electromag up the energy you put in goes into establishing a flux running through the core of the coil, then when you turn it off that flux collapses and induces whats called a Back EMF (electromotive force). that BEMF can then be captured in a storage capacitor and the energy can then be re-used to fire it next time.

With an efficient circuit setup it means you only need to put in a very small bit of extra charge each pulse to keep the magnet pulsing at full strength.

It's very similar to storing momentum in a mechanical system using elastic components or inertia which only loses energy to friction. In electromag you lose energy to circuit resistance, it's very similar.

I think if the effect is as it's described then mechanical or electrical will both work OK.

Let's just hope that the effect does hoodwink Lenz, then we're all laughing!

Best, Yucca.

What your describing reminds me of the Micro TPU.  Have you followed that thread?.. kind of a cool little circuit and I built it and it works for 10 to 120 minutes depending on the components used.  Members, including myself, tried to alter the circuit to make it better, but the original circuit works best.  This circuit is one of the most efficient circuits ever, but not OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3599.0

Jason

[4Tesla]

Great discussion going on here.   
I thought of using the parts from one of those shake flashlights to do some testing. 
You can get one on EBay for under 8.00 US.   

Bill

Good Idea!  That would be a good way to collect the energy.. have the piston be a magnet!

[Yucca]

What your describing reminds me of the Micro TPU.  Have you followed that thread?.. kind of a cool little circuit and I built it and it works for 10 to 120 minutes depending on the components used.  Members, including myself, tried to alter the circuit to make it better, but the original circuit works best.  This circuit is one of the most efficient circuits ever, but not OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3599.0

Jason

Yeah it's exactly like that, I've not built one of those but I've read the thread. Would be cool to make a miniature electromechanical part that plugs into one of those existing circuilts so this effect can take it over unity.

Yucca.