What goes up must come down - some thoughts

[dieter]

Hi everybody, nice to be here, since most people in the real world do not understand my intensions.

First I want to provide some thoughts about gravity and magnetism:

From the scientific point of view, there is no energy potential in gravity. If you  want to use the gravity of an object, you
first have to move it up the hill. Transporting the object up will cost at least as much energy as you could gather from it when
it comes down again.

The same rule applies to ferromagnetic forces. Whenever something is attracted, you will have to spend the same amount of
force to remove it from the field again. See it as a valley: an object may roll down the valley, but there's no way out of the valley
other than to go up the hill again.

These rules are very simple and IMHO they will save you a lot of time by not building some bessler-like wheels that are based on
nothing but gravity, but seem to work in theory, at least on the first look. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say Overunity is impossible.
But tricking gravity with nothing but gravity probably won't work.

At the other hand a combination of multiple forces is still very interesting. Whether a combination of gravity and magnetism will work,
I still don't know. Other combinations do work. You may know the Water/Osmosis Motor that I used to design some months ago. It really works, based on water
evaporation and gravity. (Although it's a weak motor, for me it's important to have success from time to time, even if I can do only "Baby steps").
One thing that I realized when I built the Water Motor, is the fact that a wheel should not need to push itself
away from something that is applied to a stator, because this will always require energy. In this Water Motor parts of the wheel are deforming periodicly,
causing imbalance in the wheel. They deform due to hygroscopic pressure, so they are in no mechanical way in contact with the stator.

So I though how can I cause some kind of deformation in the wheel without to touch the wheel by the stator?? First I thought
"Magnets are the solution" but I was wrong. A Magnet on the stator that is causing Deformation on the rotor is noting else but a physical/mechanical connetion between them!
The force that is required to deform the rotor will be taken directly from the torque - it's only a funny brake, nothing more.

So how could I trigger a force that is applied to the rotor and cause it to deform parts of the rotor, in order to get imbalance?

My main idea to solve the problem is: gravity could trigger a magnet that would deform the rotor. all applied to the rotor.
Imagine a magnet inside a tube, aligned like a spoke. The magnet can move freely inside the tube from the very outline of the wheel towards the axis, for about one inch.
Near the center of the wheel there's a further magnet, fixed on the wheel. These two magnets do attract one another. So the outter magnet will slide inside the tube
until it reaches the limiter. The remaining gap between them is still about one inch or so. Now into this gap I will drop a third, small magnet, with opposing poles. Some lead
ballast and a little track is used to force the 3. magnet in place. This will push the outter magnet away from the wheels center, causing the imbalance we need for a gravity wheel.

So the third magnet will fall between the two other magnets when the wheel is somewhere between angle 0 and 90. When it reaches angle 180 to 270 it will fall back again due to gravity. This way magnet 1 and 2 will be attracting oneantother again.
Now, falling in and out of an opposing magnetic field consumes diffrent amounts of force/torque, even with lead ballast applied. This problem most likely could be solved by adding a further pair of magnets, so the third magnet will always drop between two pairs of magnets that are equalizing the forces. The outter magnet of the compensating pair must of course be fixed. An adjustment screw may be needed to position the outter magnet of the compensating pair in a way that perfectly neutralizes its mobile counterpart, however.

I hope this wasn't too confusing. Maybe I'm going to draw a picture.

The core insight is: all forces (gravity and magnetism) are applied to the rotor - I think this may be the key to one solution.

[FreeEnergy]

Maybe I'm going to draw a picture.

sounds plausible. still would like to see a drawing though.
thanks for sharing.

[TinselKoala]

You might like these two videos, where I test a wheel very like what you have described.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wuldel0syug (the basic wheel, through various modifications)

http://www.mediafire.com/?xhtlsgmm2tt (a clever way of latching the magnets, that almost works)

[dieter]

Ok, here are some drawings. This first one for the sake of simplicity shows the basic rotor without the compensating pairs I mentioned.

The PMs inside the Pipes can move up and down. The PM "B" and the lead Ballast build a unit that can move forward and backward on the tracks. They are gaged in some kind of tunnel to make sure they won't turn and jump around violently.  The magnets near the center are fixed to the rotor.

[dieter]

Here's the same with the compensation magnet pairs. So unit B is going to alternate between two identicly repelling fields, only gravity will decide on what end of the track the unit lies.