Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter (amplify electricity)

[delboy]

Hi to all.
I "feel", you all guys need to look at this site:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
I don't want take part in this discussion since my knowledge ends just on popular science. I include an excerpt from this particular page, which may catch your attention:
"CONCLUSION
To sum up: we see that by putting a big AC voltage on the tuned circuit and by adjusting its phase in relation to the tiny incoming current, we can "suck" the E x M wattage from the enormously broad wavefronts of the incoming waves. It also works this way inside a simple circuit using conventional voltage dividers: add a resonant circuit, and the series impedance of the power source behaves smaller. See this example circuit. It should still work this way even when a part of the antenna circuit contains a series capacitor whose dielectric is made up of many feet (or even tens of km) of empty space. "

It's not that! That is compensation and voltage divider.
What I am talking about is making true one resonant transmitter (TC) and picking up that BIG reactive power by one wire receiver so not to disturb resonance !

[sparks]

   Bart A the nail on the head.  We know that we can build up a huge amount of reactive energy in resonant electrical system but the trillion dollar question is can this resonance be maintained with minimal dampening and still be able to do work in excess of the energy needed to maintain the oscillations.  Perhaps an experiment needs to be devised which creates an rlc where the internal currents are maintained at 1000 of times the maintenance current input.  Then see if there is a way to tap the 1000 fold gain without diminishing the oscillations below what is needed to maintain them when the sytem isnt doing work. 

[delboy]

   Bart A the nail on the head.  We know that we can build up a huge amount of reactive energy in resonant electrical system but the trillion dollar question is can this resonance be maintained with minimal dampening and still be able to do work in excess of the energy needed to maintain the oscillations.  Perhaps an experiment needs to be devised which creates an rlc where the internal currents are maintained at 1000 of times the maintenance current input.  Then see if there is a way to tap the 1000 fold gain without diminishing the oscillations below what is needed to maintain them when the sytem isnt doing work.

To maintaine resonance wit minimal losses you need good circuit controler
That is why Tesla perfected it so many times! He used 4 kinds of controlers till he picked right one!
Oscillation in RLC (primary) will be long if resistance R is small ! That is why controller need to be close to ideal switch ! Small resistance on close, big resistance on open. Controller runs resonance effect. Resonance effect in secondary gives rise to voltage and to current! It is series open RLC circuit, it is not standard RLC as you learned in school Tesla designed RLC circuit that will not overload source and yet it will give amplification for both voltage and current like standard series RLC !
How to pick up that energy? Well by one-wire receiver! Receiver see only X and nothing else, no source overload!
It is not trillion dollar question, it si maybe 10 000 dollars question because you need big TC as Tesla had one!

[Magluvin]

Just to talk about transmitters and receivers, my little 5v 1a power supply I use for the 5v stuff, it puts out some power to receive.
I had an Orbonbon test going on and for some strange reason if I fiddled with the bread board or the wires, my output voltage was changing a bit. I thought it was a loos connection somewhere. Well after tearing power from everything on the board just leaving the bridge rectifier and a cap on the dc side, if I touched one of the ac side leads of the bridge, the cap starts charging, all the way to 90 some volts. I thought, NO, Cant BE.
But if I unpluged the PS, the charge faded. And this is with the power supplies wires just laying on the floor. I wasnt going to say anything of it till I get the receiver going with better results, because it is impressive now, imagine if I work on it a bit. No caps or coils for tuning. While receiving with 1, another can receive the same without diminishing the 1st. It charges fast too. Maybe this is Titos Way.
The PS is running at 500hz from what my meter says.    Well, its the 3 legged bridge, gota love it.  I am going to try a couple ant, 1 on each ac in but also try with a cap on 1 ant to knock it out of phase from the first and see what it pumps.
Wouldnt it be whacky if I can get some current going with this. I will have to measure the PS input current to see if the draws affect it. And it is idle with no load. The PS id a dc switching type.
But this project, found by accident, is worth looking into. Just for the nature of it.  =]

Mags

[grizli]

Hmmm, isn't resonance effect that gives rise to reactive power???
How big Q factor than proportinaly that big will be reactive power!
For example, if we have on primary say 3kV and primary is 1 turn and is in loose connection with secondary and primary see only  few turns of secondary, for example 5 of them, and secondary have 50, giving 45 is left! Because nothing is ideal, let supose that we transfered let say 2kV to 5 turns of secondary.
That 2kV is now one NEW SOURCE of high frequency! And we have stil 45 turns left and also there is TOP-LOAD capacity! This is new RLC open circuit: SOURCE â€" 45 turns= INDUCTIVITY â€" TOP_LOAD capacity. This is important to understand. Resonance is possible in an open RLC circuit! One wire transfer!
Than if Q of secondary is for example Q=500, than under resonance this will give 500*2kV =1MV voltage of high frequency. Than you can calculate by uper formula, how big power will be., because it depends on capacity, frequency and square of voltage! Tesla build TC with relativly big diameter. You now why? Because he wanted to reduce loosses in secondary because if you have thousand of turns your voltage will be eaten up by parasitic capacity!
That's why he had only 30-50 turns in secondary but diameter was 3-15 meters which gives high induction necessary to have high Q! Tesla enlarged induction by making diameter bigger not turns! It is also square dependent!
How to collect this power without disturbing resonace?  With one wire transfer (wireless)! One wire can be Earth, Air(over 5 miles high), Sea, Copper etc I must go through something. That's why I call it ONE WIRE. You first must understand pricips of one wire transfer, than talk about how Tesla drive car on some black box bla bla. You are skiping the important part in Tesla's life.
You have patents 645576 and 649621 describing transversal receiver. Receiver is reverse of TC. Or if you want logitudinal one than look at 685955.
Ask your selves, how come that bulbs are light on connection C when they are short circuit?
I recommend reading this :

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm

BUT if thats so easy why dont we have OU tesla devices ? I mean its not beag deal to make two identical tesla coils
Elecated tapaity between them  bother ends to earth ...
or we may also have 1245 recievers for example not just one , in resonance reciever is TRANSMITTER in the same time isnt it ?

so you suggest that thats all thats needed ?  i mean reactive power remains in LC can it be utilised ?..

why 1/4 wavelength ? Speed of wave in the coil is NOT the same as speed of wave in transmission line.. usually Natural resonance of coil is not the same as 1/4 wirelength for wavelength ..
CAn we have more than one resonance for example LC resonance and quater wave resonance ? For example for clasic colenoid natural LC resonance is usually about double in frequency than 1/4 wirelength=wavelength .. so we can add top capacity to lower natural LC and we match 1/4 wirelength or not ? tesla does not say about that...

so of we have capacity coupled secondaries (OU is point here not wireless) so they are relative close top capacityes are relative near..

I mean is it ONLY that , question is can reactive power be converted to usable power this way ? 

All in all why would we need several meter wide coil ? who cares if Q is 20 or 500 20 is good enough ..