HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.

[HeairBear]

I'll take that as an "I don't know". Nice looking Lawton circuit by the way! Looks beefy! Who custom built it for you?

[peterpierre]

A very good Electronics Engineer friend of mine who is incredibly capable, of course I had to provide a proper explained 'concept' of what it is supposed to do and I had to find the transistor which is capable of handling the pulsing of 1 kV and there were some other minor mods / repairs necessary but finally it works and does what it is supposed to do

[haithar]

Nifty indeed! That doesn't answer my question though about what I do with the number or capacitance I have in my cell. How do I use this number? For example, 9 microfarads. If I need to know this, where do I apply it? Otherwise, what is the point of buying an LCR meter and measuring the cell?

Depends on what you want to achieve. If you are bulding a Dave Lawton circuit you don't need to know it. If you want a resonant rlc circuit then you'll need it.

It mainly actually displays you if your cell is capable of acting as a capacitor and if it gets a charge ... it will be hard to measure probably because although excellent dielectric properties water can hold a charge only for a short amount of time, thats why we need the pulses hich cause fary chort repetative charges in microsecond intervalls. For example, I use 2 x 30mF capacitors to 'clean' my rectified DC voltage, I know each of these capacitors can be charged with up to approx. 800 Volt DC before it shorts out on me and 'it blows a cap' lol ... in a very real and literal sense ... we do not want to blow those capacitors, however ... we DO WANT THAT to happen in the water capacitor. Have you ever blown up a capacitor? Well, the water capacitor is supposed to do JUST THAT, because at that point the dielectric breaks down, causing a chanve of the amounbt ov volts inputted into Amps ... the dielectric (water) cannot cope with this sudden change so it actually breaks down on a molecular basis and that ist just the result we want.

do you have a formula for calculating the breakdown-field-density with a watercap? i'd be interested.

[peterpierre]

Ok, let me guess, I know u are not here to compliment me truly on hat I have been up to ... so what is the deal? I have been onto this issue since 2003. 7 years have passed. Yes - there has been success and there has been failure (due to lack of documentation etc. - obviously) but we are used to that, we are after all research scientists, true - in no official capacity, without government backing - but does that really matter to you so much? haithar: why do we name circuits? - it has not even reched it's potential yet.
Look, the way I see it so far, there are plenty of people who have contributed to the solution so far, all I am doing is - narrowing it down, not doing this for fame or to get rich but just a final stand to try and fix things before they go terribly wrong, thats my stand. You may criticize me and my approach all you want and make fun of me but sadly we have gone to far already, only extreme measures will correct this situation, nothing else. Do yout think I am one of those peopng and right than u do ....e who live with the illusion that I'll be around like 'for ever' common .... we know it better than that ... unless u know a person who has been born a ancient time ago and hasn't died to date ... now that would be truly revolutionary LOL .... what is the point you willl ask? We just want to make sense of our short lives we have, we want to produce something which will make it easier and more harmless for future generations ... thats what truly matters ...isn't it? Well I am sorry if I rippled ur pond and stuff but I do have probably a different perspective of wrong and right than u do ...

[HeairBear]

Your right! I did not come here to compliment you, but, I did anyway. I was just so curious as to how you or haithar were measuring capacitance from your cells. I have come to the conclusion neither one of you knows, otherwise the answer would be "You can't measure a WFC's capacitance, or resistance, or inductance." Why you can't is something you'll have to figure out. I thought maybe if I had asked the questions you might have looked something up or actually tried to measure a cell and find you can not. You didn't though... Instead you wrote about... well, I don't really know what you were saying but it wasn't anything to do with measuring capacitance and why a person needs to measure it.

I wholeheartedly recommend both you and haithar to grab an electronics 101 college text book and do some reading and comprehending. I can imagine why there is so much mystery in it for you two. What gets me, is you guys talk a shite load about things you obviously have no clue about. How do you do that? Don't you think there is a smarter monkey out there reading this and knowing you are full of it? That doesn't bother you in the least?