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Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

Started by supermuble, November 19, 2008, 03:48:27 PM

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Nali2001

Its the other way around:
The only thing that 'makes' the magnetic field in a coil is the amperage, volts are just there to overcome the ohmic resistance and stuff and to get the amps flowing.

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Something else you can wonder about.
Take a 2000watt microwave oven transformer.
Look at the big heavy primary coil. And connect a variable dc power supply to it and set it to say 5 volt. Now you probably will be putting in a watt or 10 maybe. Thing is that at that watt level the core is saturated as hell. It takes nothing in dc to saturate a core. (I have saturated half mot cores with only 2 watt dc.) So that means that only 10watt will create a magnetic field that is above the maximum field strength the core can support. Now... look at the situation in ac:
You see the transformer is rated for 2000watt. Now you think, if the core already saturates at 10watt dc how can it work efficient in 2000watt ac?
Main thing to remember is that at 2000watt the magnetic level is not more then what was created with that 10watt dc. So also in a transformer, if you could do away with back emf then you can run that 2000watt power level from a 10watt source.

Same with a multi megawatt generator that supplies several cities, These thing have electro magnets. Now these electro magnets require probably only 100watt dc input. So in a sense you can say that these multi mega watts were created from a 100watt 'source'. That is if again you can do away with the back emf. And minimize the input motor. Problem is that back emf/Lenz are there when induction happens they are both part of the same process, they are the "balance of nature, light and darkens, up and down" Lenz can not be removed. You can however (probably) make a systems where lenz is re-routed or something so that is does not react to what you are putting into the system. It would be the Holy grail in this field.


gyulasun

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on November 27, 2008, 04:54:31 PM
Hi folks, just wanted to mention Ive never read Garry stanley mention he didnt obtain results with the 6 magnet/stator layout and ive looked through all posts i could find and ive built the same motor which is by far the best running motor ive built to date and have built many. Where is Garry Stanley anyway, what happened to him.

Hi,

Maybe I misunderstood the post Garry wrote in his Pulse_Motor_Group yahoo group, message #1376 but he concluded going back to the drawing board when he run the motor with 6 coil pairs instead of the earlier 12 and introduced capacitors in series with the coil pairs.

Would like to ask if you ever managed to measure torque on your Garry motor and if yes how it compared to the electric input power? 

I also agree that Garry's pulse motor stands out from most of the pulse motors and I think the secret is using many magnets (12 pairs) with many coils (also 12 pairs) on the same disk and the coils are flat pancake-like shaped (taken from old floppy drives) and both sides of each coil are utilized as magnetic poles. And because of the flat coils the distance between the facing magnets was short, hence the attracting flux between them could remain strong and focused.   If you recall there have been few or no such pulse motor design that featured these properties.

Unfortunately Garry finished his own website as I noticed and do not post in the usual group he had used to (at least I cannot see any letters from him since about 2 years)  which is very unfortunate.

rgds,  Gyula

sparks

@nail

    If you have a coil of highselfinductance or a choke coil and you pulse it you can change the magnetic flux inside the core of the choke coil without a single bit of current flow. 
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Quote from: sparks on November 27, 2008, 07:36:29 PM
@nail

    If you have a coil of highselfinductance or a choke coil and you pulse it you can change the magnetic flux inside the core of the choke coil without a single bit of current flow. 

@Sparks

In an inductor current follows voltage. Even saying that I do not mean current and voltage do not reach the end of the wire together. I'm sure they do. It is just that the rise of current follows the rise of voltage by a 90 deg. lag. So the magnetic field maximum arrives at the end of the wire later than the maximum voltage applied to the conductor reaches the end of the wire.

So, I'll disagree with you this time  ;) Current is what changes magnetic flux. If the charge is not moving it makes no change to the magnetic flux. If the charge is moving then there is current.

The above is only true for forces travelling through the conductor. Beyond that you must go beyond most publications.

Nali2001

Well all depends on the amp turns as well naturally.
1000 turns at 1 amp is the same field strength as 1000amp with one turn.
Thing is that at 1000 turns you have much more resistance to overcome.
Hell, femm magnetic field simulation software only wants to know the input amp data in order to know the resulting field strength, volts data is not even asked for.
But true an unloaded transformer or choke (pulsed or ac) draws very little power. Boils down to that it takes very, very little power to 'saturate' a core (obviously you want to stay below saturation in normal use) Mayhem starts when loading begins lol.