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[gotoluc]

@gotoluc,

I think that my test idea will conclusive show a over unity or not. You have only one measurement
to take and that is the voltage over  the battery. If the voltage climbs (over time) then there is o/u.
Simple as that. I also think that that it will be easy to loop back the coils because you have already
demonstrated that the secondary power out coils can take a low restive load. So by proper design
I mean that the coils must be designed for exactly that. If you want to make many coils that are
like each other then just use a cardboard tube cut to equal length. Then you wind the same number
of turns on each  cardboard tube segment. Glue the wire with super glue. That way you get several
coils that are the same. Over the secondary of each coil you connect a variable capacitor in parallel.
The variable capacitor will allow you to tune each coil (LC) pair to the same resonance. In my
drawing I only used two coils. But you will probably need many more than that. You just series two
and two coils to get the needed voltage (must be higher than the battery voltage) and then parallel
enough coils to get the needed current. (Must be higher than the total loss in the circuit.) My estimate
is that you will need approx. 8 coils on the output.

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,

Thanks for taking the time to put this together for me

Sounds like a reasonable idea to me and there should be no reason why it should not work

I'll also be changing the resistors and adding the capacitors on Monday and hopefully I'll get an amp draw reduction with that also.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[hartiberlin]

Hi Luc,
nice circuit,
but if you still use the method from your schematics at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6225.msg144630#msg144630
to measure the input current via AC position, then this is pretty wrong.

Because of the graetz bridge you have non sine wave current flowing there
and that is pulsating current, as the graetz bridge conducts the current
only when the voltage at the charge cap is less than the transformer voltage.

So it is a bad idea to measure it there with the AC position.

Better build a LC lowpassfilter with several stages and put a DC ampmeter
there into the chain so you really measure DC input current....

Also you need to drive all the circuits from one source and
measure then the whole input current because at these about 312 Khz
frequency the board has enough stray capacity to insert power
from your 12 Volts battery and from your wave generator to input also
some measureable power....

So you really need to build your own oscillator and
also power the switching driver board from the same power
supply and also the oscillator.

Only then you can measure correctly the input current and power via the multiple
LC lowpassfilter method.

At these switching frequencies any AC measurements will be a failure with
big error factors, so better only go the DC way.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

P.S: At these frequencies you unfortunately via the gate-source and
gate-drain capacitance have some
power transfer from your gate of the MOSFETs
to the drain and the sources ,
so thus also to your coils...

So your 12 Volts battery puts still power
into it too. That you have to considder correctly
in your COP calculation
or avoid it by powering the whole circuit incl. the oscillator
from ONE power supply only.

[Groundloop]

Hi Stefan,

Lest me just say that we are working on a circuit that will not use two power inputs, but
batteries for the input power. Everything will be powered from the battery bank. Also, a loop back
test has been proposed.

I would also like to comment on your concerns of power transfer to the circuit.

First, you are totally wrong that the signal generator can input any power.
The input resistance of a 4013 IC is in the millions mega ohms range.
The same goes for the impedance. The signal generator is connected direct to
the clock pin of the 4013 and does not consume any power or transfer any power to the circuit.

Second, does the cmos drivers inject any power to the output? Yes they do. But the test done has shown that
this power is very low. Some few mA. When this circuit is scaled up by using more coils then this small power
feed will be nothing compared to the total wattage going into and coming out of the coils.

Third, Although I agree with you about using DC volt meters and filter and stuff,  this is total irrelevant for the
circuit operation knowing the current usage. We has found that the circuit switch itself uses some power
just to run without load. Later on the next logical test will be running the circuit from batteries and loop back
the output. All we need to know is if the battery bank charge up or discharge to find out if it is o/u or not.

Fourth, Luc has shown that the total current usage is fairly constant regardless of connected load or not.
He then connect an additional coil and load and the input power usage did NOT go up. Even if the meter
itself did not not show the 100% correct amperage usage, the meter still did not show a differential higher
value when the loads was connected. I think this is significant.

Fifth, I find it very strange that you, the owner of overunity.com, a forum called free energy, does not welcome
the huge work we have put into this. I honestly believed that the common goal was to develop some sort of
free energy system to help the world. Luc has done a great job so far with his testing. He has shown that
multiple coils with load does not reflect the load back to the input. It may not be the free energy system that
will power your house, but it is a humble start. You probably did miss the proposed test for running this switch
from a battery bank with a loop back of the energy posted in this thread. I have been working on a new
switch for the last few days. The new switch uses optocouplers between the logic part and the switch part.
I have tested and measured that the maximum possible energy flow that can happen through the
optocouplers to the floating output switch is approx. 2 - 3 milli Watt. I did plan to build this circuit using
a lot of my own time and money. Making PCB's and buying parts will set me back approx. 500 Euros.
Now I'm not so determined to do that.

Last, as a owner of this forum called free energy, you must never forget that it is the very few people that
actually do research that is keeping your boat floating. Of the 18686 members of this forum, there is but
a few that actually build stuff and test stuff. Luc is one of these few, he should be cheered on for the
countless hours and hard work he has put into this.

Attache is a drawing of the switch I have been working on lately. The switch has not been built and tested
yet, and I have some doubt if I ever will do that.

Regards,
Groundloop.

[najman100]

Hi Stefan,

Lest me just say that we are working on a circuit that will not use two power inputs, but
batteries for the input power. Everything will be powered from the battery bank. Also, a loop back
test has been proposed.

I would also like to comment on your concerns of power transfer to the circuit.

First, you are totally wrong that the signal generator can input any power.
The input resistance of a 4013 IC is in the millions mega ohms range.
The same goes for the impedance. The signal generator is connected direct to
the clock pin of the 4013 and does not consume any power or transfer any power to the circuit.

Second, does the cmos drivers inject any power to the output? Yes they do. But the test done has shown that
this power is very low. Some few mA. When this circuit is scaled up by using more coils then this small power
feed will be nothing compared to the total wattage going into and coming out of the coils.

Third, Although I agree with you about using DC volt meters and filter and stuff,  this is total irrelevant for the
circuit operation knowing the current usage. We has found that the circuit switch itself uses some power
just to run without load. Later on the next logical test will be running the circuit from batteries and loop back
the output. All we need to know is if the battery bank charge up or discharge to find out if it is o/u or not.

Fourth, Luc has shown that the total current usage is fairly constant regardless of connected load or not.
He then connect an additional coil and load and the input power usage did NOT go up. Even if the meter
itself did not not show the 100% correct amperage usage, the meter still did not show a differential higher
value when the loads was connected. I think this is significant.

Fifth, I find it very strange that you, the owner of overunity.com, a forum called free energy, does not welcome
the huge work we have put into this. I honestly believed that the common goal was to develop some sort of
free energy system to help the world. Luc has done a great job so far with his testing. He has shown that
multiple coils with load does not reflect the load back to the input. It may not be the free energy system that
will power your house, but it is a humble start. You probably did miss the proposed test for running this switch
from a battery bank with a loop back of the energy posted in this thread. I have been working on a new
switch for the last few days. The new switch uses optocouplers between the logic part and the switch part.
I have tested and measured that the maximum possible energy flow that can happen through the
optocouplers to the floating output switch is approx. 2 - 3 milli Watt. I did plan to build this circuit using
a lot of my own time and money. Making PCB's and buying parts will set me back approx. 500 Euros.
Now I'm not so determined to do that.

Last, as a owner of this forum called free energy, you must never forget that it is the very few people that
actually do research that is keeping your boat floating. Of the 18686 members of this forum, there is but
a few that actually build stuff and test stuff. Luc is one of these few, he should be cheered on for the
countless hours and hard work he has put into this.

Attache is a drawing of the switch I have been working on lately. The switch has not been built and tested
yet, and I have some doubt if I ever will do that.

Regards,
Groundloop.

Nice setup can you add up an oscillator so we do not need a signal generator ?
thank you
Najman