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RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

Started by gotoluc, December 03, 2008, 01:26:15 AM

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gotoluc

Quote from: duff on February 02, 2009, 06:12:14 PM
Luc,

In the first circuit, with the 1 ohm resistor in series with the bulb, you can look at is as a simple voltage divider.

I = E/R = .045V/1 = 45 ma

Resistance of bulb being
R = E/I = 3/.045 = 66.7 ohms

In the second circuit you removed the bulb from the circuit and inserted the primary winding. The impedance of the primary winding must be greater than the resistance of the bulb since the current went down.

I = E/R = .0219/1 = 21.9ma

I am somewhat surprised that there is 3 volts across the bulb in the secondary. I question whether the bulb still has a 66 ohm resistance - don't know but it is interesting.

Perhaps you could provide a little more information.
   1. Voltage out of the function generator
   2. Inductance of primary and secondary.
   3. Resistance of primary and secondary windings.

Maybe that will give us a few more answers....

As far as trying to close the loop you might look at the circuit that poynt99 uploaded yesterday. It runs on about 50mW.

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators v1.0.pdf
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item221



It appears to me that your testing the MRA concept without using the barium ferrite magnet and the piezoelectric transducer.

-Duff


Hi Duff,

thank you for being the first and only one to answer and attempt to do the math :)

It took some time to re-setup everything to measure the voltage output from the Signal Generator but I got everything back as it was and it is 7.19 volts RMS and 18.28 volts PP. I also posted the scope shots of that test with Data below. In green is the probe across the bulb and in yellow is the probe on the SG output.

The Primary resistance is 2.5 Ohms and Inductance is .72mH. The Secondary resistance is .1 Ohm and Inductance is about .001mH

Thanks for posting Pony's circuit. I'll look it over.

Thanks again for your willingness to help to understand this effect.

Luc

dankie

Yeah Luc I think your skills are wasted on this resonance effect series of threads you made . Its been dragging on for a long time now , its time to be more serious and do something with the resonance now , you have to combine it with something .

duff

Luc,

I disagree with dankie...

I spent a fair amount of time in trying to achieve your results and could not. My results were as one would expect with normal transformer action. I used the parts I had on hand except for the rectifier and I ordered the one you were using in the earlier experiments (SBI 3040PT) but was still unable to support a load like you have shown in the videos.

I assume you are driving the circuit with a signal generator (not groundloops circuit) being that you did not mention it. Is that correct?

If you are using groundloops circuit could you please try it with the signal generator only and let us know the results.

The best way to tell if you have OU is to close the loop (you already know that). If you can get the same results with only a signal generator I'd try Pony's circuit.

By all means keep experimenting until you can resolve this question.

Also, please give me the diameter, height, wire gauge & spacing between your coils + anything else you can think of that might be unique, I'm going to try to replicate your results again....

Good Work!

-Duff

wattsup

@dankie

Not very coooooool. Easy to talk.

@gotoluc

Good vid. I don't know about the measuring side. I noticed that both scope probe grounds were connected to the circuit. I usually never use the ground so I am wondering about that aspect, when to use it and when not to use it when doing scope measurements.

But it looks like there is more coming out.

I am curious if you tried the same set-up but see if the center coil can go in sideways into the outer coil and see the difference. This will cut the outer coils in a different manner that may be better. Also trying with an iron core just placed inside the center coil. It is good to have a base that you can then compare other coils and configurations onto a known method, to see what gives better results. I would hope that's where most of the guys spend their time - lol. Just trying the hell out of every method.

gotoluc

Quote from: duff on February 03, 2009, 12:09:32 AM
Luc,

I disagree with dankie...

I spent a fair amount of time in trying to achieve your results and could not. My results were as one would expect with normal transformer action. I used the parts I had on hand except for the rectifier and I ordered the one you were using in the earlier experiments (SBI 3040PT) but was still unable to support a load like you have shown in the videos.

I assume you are driving the circuit with a signal generator (not groundloops circuit) being that you did not mention it. Is that correct?

If you are using groundloops circuit could you please try it with the signal generator only and let us know the results.

The best way to tell if you have OU is to close the loop (you already know that). If you can get the same results with only a signal generator I'd try Pony's circuit.

By all means keep experimenting until you can resolve this question.

Also, please give me the diameter, height, wire gauge & spacing between your coils + anything else you can think of that might be unique, I'm going to try to replicate your results again....

Good Work!

-Duff

Hi Duff,

Yes, I used only the output of the signal generator for the video 13 test.

I will measure everything to the best of my ability and supply it in some time. It maybe late tonight as I have to complete something today.

Thanks for your interest.

Luc