Aiming @ the VIC coil

[Dave45]

Room
  build it an I'll buy it.

[Grumpy]

Dankie,

   If you want to build this coil you should understand why it is built as it is, and how it operates.  I have spent some years designing coils, transformers, and flybacks, I worked for a company that manufactured HV transformers so this one is not so unusual to me.
    First we should understand what Stanley Meyers was doing different then everone else with separating water.  The difference is that Stanley went to using high voltage to separate water into gas, everyone else was doing it the old fashioned way of electrolysis, low voltage-high current.  If you look at the two graphs he shows in his patent, you can see that production slowly increases with current the low voltage way.  His graph of his way, using High Voltage, shows that gas production is exponential with increasing voltage.  The HV stretches the water molecule until it snaps the bonds between the H and O.  What he was doing was pulsing the cell several times to line the molecules up between the cell plates and then stopping to allow the flyback condition to occur and zap it with very HV to snap the bonds.
    O.K. Now the transformer is built the way that it is for several reasons. The first is that this is a Voltage dependant process and he wanted to minimize current flow in the WFC, utilizing stainless steel winding wire provides more resistance per linear foot which increases the total winding resistance thereby giving him less current flow.  SS wire though is non magnetic and therefore works just like copper wire but with more resistance. The second reason is that he wanted to maximize the total inductance and capacitance in the VIC, more capacitance and inductance equals lower inherent resonant frequency also by keeping the interwinding capacitance as high as he could and the WFC capacitance as low as possible( hence the tube within tube design that minimizes capacitance compared to parallel plates) the fuelcell capacitance will not make to much difference with self resonance of the device.  The bifilar windings are there to increase total inductance, when the end of one of the bifilar wind is connected back to the second wire start it quadruples the inductance and greatly increases capacitance (as Tesla shows in his patent 512340) The output is split into 2 bifilar coils because a single bifilar wound coil would not be able to handle the voltage between the wires. Which brings us to the third reason. This is a High Voltage transformer and I mean 40,000 volts high, it is dangerous, in order to contain the HV the transformer is wound in small segments starting from one end, you do not wind back and forth across the bobbin like normal.  the wire going down to the bottom of each segment needs to be isolated with a small piece of mylar tape and the entire outside should be coated with epoxy the output leads should really be made of spark plug wire that feed the WFC. Remember it is High Voltage, winding HV transformers is tricky if you have never made one before it will be tough.  The two bobbins are again to separate the two flyback windings because of the voltage, These two windings need to be on the core in the proper polarity for it to work right, when it is working right the output of  each flyback winding will go in opposite directions across the WFC (+ and -).  The diode shown in Stanley's patent can go between the two leads at one end of the transformer and the two leads at the other end can have the spark plug wires attached for the WFC.
  Now because this coil set has both inductance and capacitance it will have an inherent resonant frequency that if you run this at, it will minimize the power required to drive it, thereby again minimizing power usage.  If the capacitance of the WFC is low it will have little effect on the resonant frequency.  At least this is how I see it, I may not be totally correct but I think it is about as complete a theory as I've seen around here.

I hope this helps
Room3327

Thanks Room3327.  You have brought out some very good points.   

403FR wire has a lot of iron and is magnetic just like the rest of the 400 series.

Meyer stated that what he called "resonance" meant "oscillation" of the water molecule - not necessarily a true LC resonance like most think of when they hear the word "resonance".

[Room3327]

Grumpy,

    Thank you for the kind words.  Are you saying Stan called out 403 stainless for the transformer?  I don't recall that in reading his stuff but I don't have time to reread it right now.  If he didn't call out 403 I would be inclined to use 300 series stainless wire to build out of.
You could be right about the resonance I certainly don't know everything.

[Grumpy]

Grumpy,

    Thank you for the kind words.  Are you saying Stan called out 403 stainless for the transformer?  I don't recall that in reading his stuff but I don't have time to reread it right now.  If he didn't call out 403 I would be inclined to use 300 series stainless wire to build out of.
You could be right about the resonance I certainly don't know everything.

403FR was for the wire and is what Dankie has obtained.

Early core was ferrite per Meyer's patent - not sure about later ones.

Anyone using electromagnetic resonance in the VIC transformer is on the wrong path.

Also, early version were 1000v - I think - maybe lower as the 1N1198 diode, I think only goes to 600vdc or maybe it was 1200vdc - can't recall.

[mikemongo]

It was my understanding that he chose the 430F/FR wire for BOTH the added resistance AND the magnetic properties.

Just the bifilar chokes are the SS wire and the rest is regular magnet wire.

The SS wire is part of the core.  Isn't that why it's wound on the inner layer?  My understanding, or maybe he said it in one of the videos, is that the bifilar windings magnetic field is increased using this method to help hold back amperage flow.  But then I don't have any experience winding coils. 

I think Dankie or someone is going to have to build one that's modular and take measurements with a good lcr meter.  I say modular so the bifilar can be changed easily without rebuilding the whole dam thing because I don't think anyone knows how to the calculations when the coil becomes part of the core due to the magnetic properties of the wire.

Mikemongo