Knitel's InfinityPump

[wizkycho]

hi wiz,

if you pressurize the supply tank, it will raise the water by itself.  you will need no weight in the cylinder.

with the cylinder full of water, still with a portion of your 49kg/cm2 (pressure will go down with increase of volume being pressurized), your 500g will fall thru v2, since the pressure is the same everywhere now.

at this point you are almost back to the start of the cycle.  all you have to do is pressurize the supply tank, without an external source, to original pressure and remove the pressure in the cylinder.

tom

if you pressurize the supply tank, it will raise the water by itself.  you will need no weight in the cylinder.

this can't be right (only some ammount at start cause of lowering level of bottom supply container but then stops) cause still water in pipe has 10g/cm2 weight by gravity.
so swimmer must have weight over 1kg suck it further up (if given 1:100=inpipe:cylinder (surface))
if applied preassure on air is over 50kg/100cm2 then is is bigger then 500g/cm2 and water in input pipe (all the time) tries to go to cilinder if it has space to go in
since water has properties that can not be made smaller volume by appliyng preassure.

...but what I would like to know is what happens with preassure at bottom surface of swimmer when V2 is opened since there is water "shield" between swimmer and preassurized
air outside given that water has unpressurizeable property...would that make preassure (that will make swimmer go up) on bootom of swimmer any smaller.
(V2 is biger and air bubbling in container at same time that water goes out)
Or would preassure on bootom of swimmer rise immidiately ?

i know this is a streach...

and another one
this is question outside actuall InfinityPump

Two closed boxes and only one is preassurized
between them is some pipe with some V valve on it.
Is there such valve or combination of valves that will allow exchange of some fluid (not by primary pressure - something else is pumping water) but wouldn't allow transfer of primary preassure from one box to other.

something like on animation...but here cycle by cycle pressure is still lost ? is it ?

many thanx

[wizkycho]

Hi Igor,
the problem I see with the pressurized air is,
that the air will also come to the lower side of
the weight in the main cylinder and then you again have no
advantage, cause the pressurized air will also push against the weight
to not go down but to push it up in the cylinder...

So this does not help there..

Did you look in my proposal to use the hydrostatic paradoxon
and use the bigger tube at the lower watersurface for the pipe ?

Regards, Stefan.

...I would need further explanation since I'm still heaving problem of "visualizing" and putting this paradox in perspective...
I certanly can apply it where pipe enters cylinder... this is diferent...this is other way arround and preassure doesn't multiply

i see for certain here that inner pipe is shorter by small ammount of height of your Addon

further speculation will be helpfull

thx
Wiz

[multiuser]

@ tagor


YEAH, COOL, i tried it - the water runns really!!!! COOOOOOL

[sushimoto]

...I would need further explanation since I'm still heaving problem of "visualizing" and putting this paradox in perspective...
I certanly can apply it where pipe enters cylinder... this is diferent...this is other way arround and preassure doesn't multiply

i see for certain here that inner pipe is shorter by small ammount of height of your Addon

further speculation will be helpfull

thx
Wiz

At this point I am happy to bring King Hans to King Igor
Hans would be helpful pbly.

If we do now have peace beetween the two kingdoms, i finally like to conclude it with my new footer:
hope, somebody can translate it by meaning..

DAMIT DAS MÖGLICHE ENTSTEHT MUSS IMMER WIEDER DAS UNMÖGLICHE VERSUCHT WERDEN

Best luck,
sushi

[tbird]

this can't be right (only some ammount at start cause of lowering level of bottom supply container but then stops) cause still water in pipe has 10g/cm2 weight by gravity.
so swimmer must have weight over 1kg suck it further up (if given 1:100=inpipe:cylinder (surface))
if applied preassure on air is over 50kg/100cm2 then is is bigger then 500g/cm2 and water in input pipe (all the time) tries to go to cilinder if it has space to go in
since water has properties that can not be made smaller volume by appliyng preassure.

hi wiz,

let's start with a post from another reply

maximal preassure of air that can be applied on bottom of floater
still be able to go down is 49Kg (less then 50Kg) per 100cm2. right ? (lets say at first no friction on floater:))

this is not the right way to express air (gas) pressure.  since a gas is compressible, just looking at it (in a closed container) we can't really tell how much is there as compared to a liquid or solid.  to know how many cubic feet (or any other unit, could be a metric measure) the container holds, we need to know the psi (pressure per square inch).  after reading closer i see what you meant was .49kg/cm2 (amount of pressure per square cm).  this is what you would see on an average air gauge, like for checking tire pressure.   the real pressure (read on an absolute gauge, not common) would add the atmospheric pressure too.  my mistake for thinking you were saying 49kg/cm2.

to continue,  maybe best to put a legend on your drawing of the starting position showing all sizes, valve status, pressures in each area and anything else you might think needed.  from there i will try to describe what happens when the unit is put into motion.

fair enough?

tom