Toroidal Motor

[gravityblock]

Below is a pic of a toroidal motor that I designed. I'm not even sure if this is even half baked. LOL

Here are the advantages I see with this motor:

1) The magnets do not rotate around the coil in the traditional way and the coil doesn't rotate around the magnets, which eliminates the polarity or direction of the current from always switching.

2) With the right arrangements of magnets on the top and bottom, this may reduce Lenz's law or even eliminate it. I have a few ideas on this, but haven't been able to fully think those ideas through until I know what this motor could do.

3) If this doesn't provide overunity, then it may provide for a more efficient motor and generator.


The disadvantages with this motor:

1) Not even sure if it will produce a current or emf (LOL), and I apologize for wasting the time it took you to read this.

Please let me know if it could be a thumbs up or a thumbs down and your reason. Thanks

[jadaro2600]

Looks interesting, would be easier to test if it weren't around the rim of the toroid, but on either side of it ..like a U shape.

You'll probably have to have intermittent winds, and for goodness sakes, make it symmetrical,otherwise you're just going to make a giant vibrator.

You're most likely hoping for something without a commutator... a constant flux device or something of that nature.  I've always wondered if the path would somehow follow the flux, but it tends to want to be perpendicular.

[broli]

This principle and your reasoning is quite similar to something I'm working on right now. Yes it's sounds a bit cliché on this forum  . But your rotating part is a bit vague. I'll try and improve it, if this is not what I think it is then the improvement can be ignored. Will post it when finished drawing.

Edit: Finished drawing it and attached. Btw the design can also have both magnets rotating which I didn't indicate. The problem with this is finding radial magnetized ring magnets, as they seem to be rare.

[gravityblock]

Looks interesting, would be easier to test if it weren't around the rim of the toroid, but on either side of it ..like a U shape.

I agree with you on the U shape.

You'll probably have to have intermittent winds, and for goodness sakes, make it symmetrical,otherwise you're just going to make a giant vibrator.

I had my wife draw the pic because I can't draw (You should see some of her chalk drawings, they are awesome). I didn't have her make it symmetrical because that was more work for her and she's upset with me because my sleeping schedule is messed up (Just trying to get some input on the feasibility of this design). You're probably right about the winds being intermittent.

You're most likely hoping for something without a commutator... a constant flux device or something of that nature.  I've always wondered if the path would somehow follow the flux, but it tends to want to be perpendicular.

You're right for not needing a commutator since the polarity is not switching. I also wonder about the path following the flux and I almost didn't post this for that reason alone since I haven't seen any other motors like this. I think it would follow the path without the opposition of the changing flux because if you drop a round magnet through a metal tube it will take longer to fall through the tube. The opposition of the changing flux should be outside of the magnets because it's not perpendicular, thus getting around Lenz's law. It's more than likely you can't have one without the other and if this is the case then you need to use the other in a productive way and not being counter productive.

[gravityblock]

@broli: 

I've seen your thread before I posted this and realized the ideas are similar but different in approach. It's good to see someone thinking along the same lines as me.

I'll be honest with you, I understand the concept of emf, cemf, magnetism, lenz's law, etc but I get lost when it comes to motors and generators because of all the different frames of references.

Thanks for the pic, it looks better than mine.