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Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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lumen

I have been a mechanical design engineer for 20 years and a journeyman machinist for 15 years before that, I have my own (BIG) CNC machines for building this stuff and have tested several theories on claimed working devices.

The only reason the mylow motor could be working is this field delay. If it was only magnets on an acrylic disk, I could see no reason for operation. (if indeed there is operation)

I think the Mylow videos and his attitude shows it may actually be operating but it's not over until the ... ... sings.


TinselKoala

Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 08:05:15 PM
Hey, that's not fair ganging up...... Real data? My real data shows if you place a coil on the face of a large neo magnet and bring another magnet close, you see no output. Why is the field not there? Because it is held away by the current field. If you move the magnet close enough where the coil is now closer to the approaching magnet, then you will see a change on the scope.

I do realize that some stray fields will reach the aluminum plate in the mylow case, but the idea is to have the plate delay the fields in the direction that reinforces the rotation.

The gaps between the magnets should be where the under lying field is pushed to and is the only spot where any gain could take place. The rows of magnets only appear as a single long magnet pole and is naturally attracted to one end like a SMOT device.

The coil experiment you cite isn't equivalent to the eddy current situation. the rotor magnets might be able to push flux lines around but they cannot divert them, and the total flux is the same no matter how it's warped.  The only configuration that would not produce eddys is if each flux line from a stator pole terminated on a rotor pole with no aluminum in between--and that would mean the magnets are strongly attracted together---very soon there will be no motion. 
Your coil's output goes to zero when the flux lines "cut" by the coil are constant. (Air core, not saturable, right? If it's not air core, you might be saturating the core so internal flux can't change because of saturation. More details please.)  It's a nice experiment, though, and it reminds me of when I took a strong magnet to the ferrite core of one of my Joule Thieves. You can vary the brightness of the output LED by varying the flux in the ferrite by applying the external field from the magnet. If you saturate the ferrite the light goes out. Conversely, if you oscillate the JT ferrite with an external AC magnetic field you can couple even more power into the JT.

hartiberlin

Sorry,
the last 3 days I was away.
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The Superxxxx.com Iframe exploit is fixed and I have changed
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I have to catch up with reading all the postings,
but I guess the Moderator Wattsup has deleted
already the too critical and annoying postings.

I see, that Mylow has deleted his former account and
has also posted a video, where he does not get the
motor to work.
Well, would be great, if he would finally invite some
people with video cameras and show it to these persons,
so they can verify it.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

lumen

The rotor magnets can setup their field through the aluminum plate at no cost because they are stationary and do not move in relation to the plate. Now, if you were to quickly push against the field coming through the plate, the force would be at first strong and quickly drop off as the underlying field is pushed away. This would again be built back up at no cost some distance from the stator.

Any energy gain from attracting lines of force will take the same energy to break those lines of force. Any energy used to bend lines of force will be the same energy gained when released.
This applies to every single force line one by one in either direction MINUS any loss to other factors. Given this fact, it can only be the aluminum plate holding a rotor field for some gain at some point.

It also would be why it can only achieve a limited RPM. If the field is stronger the delay would be shorter and the RPM higher. Or a thinner plate may cause higher RPM but reducing the field delay may bring back the natural PID effect of magnets and not work at all.

I also have two scopes and do my own circuit boards. Just built this cool 35 FM transmitterfor when I mow the lawn.( but don't tell anyone.)



BEP

Quote from: lumen on May 05, 2009, 09:39:50 PM
The rotor magnets can setup their field through the aluminum plate at no cost because they are stationary and do not move in relation to the plate.

Then Faraday was wrong when he rotated the magnet with the disc? He actually did not measure current when he rotated the magnet and disc together?
There are no Eddy currents generated because of the relationship between the rotor magnets and the disc?

Faraday was the first to offer a solution to his paradox but some say he couldn't prove it experimentally. His discarded solution was the flux cannot rotate about it's own axis.

Anyone with remaining Mylow motor attempts can prove or disprove this. Place a Hall -Effect probe under the disc while stationary and then moving. Leave the stator magnet out of the picture first. At that point you almost have a basic homopolar generator.

The idea of a delay is kewl but why would there be a delay. Wouldn't it be more redirection because you have a rotating disc in a stationary field?

Please, no one repeat the stanza about the rotor magnets are not moving in relation to the disc. That is obvious. What most cannot get into their thick heads is the flux is not part of the magnet. Forget why Newton fails here.

Enough to be flamed, I'm sure  ;D

Have at it folks!