The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"

[bob.diroto]

Thought experiment:

I think most people would agree that moving charges causes a magnetic field to appear.

I think most people would also agree that capacitors store charge.

If you mount say 10 large fully charged 2000volt capacitors on the outside of the cylinder and rotate the cylinder at high speed what would be the effect given that you now have 'moving charges'.

1. A rotating magnetic field would be created ?
2. Each charge would create it's own magnetic field which would partially cancel out ?
4. If you set up an LC circuit with capacitors so that charges are moving around whilst rotating would this cause a larger magnetic field ?
5. Would the voltage of the capacitors reduce if a magnetic field is created ?
6. If a magnetic field is created would there be back torque on the motor rotating the cylinder and if so what is pushing against what to create the back torque ?
7. Would doubling the voltage double the magnetic field ?
8. If you could separate the plates of the capacitor further apart would this create a larger magnetic field ?

If the collected kicks on the Steven Mark device are 'electron like' ie. only one charge, if you time the kicks so that the position of the kicks around the circumference move round in a circle, would the result be a moving magnetic field ?

[Elvis Oswald]

   I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."
If that's what you want... then move magnets.  Of course then you would have a regular generator.
And setting up a LC circuit would create a pulsing magnetic field in the core of the inductor... so??  If you put another coil around it - then you change the whole resonance equation.

And to TAO... the magnet must induce the initial current.  *IF* you can multiply power... it doesn't matter how small a current you start with, eh??  So no need for pre-charged caps or batteries.
The removal of the magnet would cause reverse current to flow (reverse of the original first current) in whatever coils it excited initially.  You might want to figure out how that could stop the device... it makes sense that's what's happening.

[bob.diroto]

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We all already know the secret to Steven's device!, (his entire GAIN MECHANISM)

All we need figure out now is what the magnets were used for and from where did he get his initial power source to start the generation of the FIRST KICKS.
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Hi Tao, I'd appreciate if you could write down exactly how you believe Steven Mark's device works.

The first kick is from a battery. You could go ahead on this assumption in order to test your theory on how the device operates.

Permanent Magnets:

Brain dump to trigger ideas:

1. Creates a magnetic field.
2. Magnetic fields cause charges to move.
3. Operation of reed switch.
4. Contribute to another magnetic field.
5. Diverge existing magnetic field.
6. Cancel an existing magnetic field.
7. Source of freq. of magnetism. Acts like a crystal ?
8. Source of magnetic 'particles' ??
9. As part of the current circuit ? Perhaps kick currents interact differently when passed through a magnet.
10. To magnetically saturate a magnetic material such as iron.
11. To somehow alter the freq. on an LC circuit to be much nearer to the required resonant frequency. Don't know how this would be achieved in practice !
12. Nothing. To misdirect people as to operation of device.
13. To improve kick magnitude ?
14. To improve collector tube collecting ability ?
15. To attract kick energy to the collector tube ? (Perhaps kick energy is attracted to a particular pole ?)
16. What does a permanent magnet do if placed next to a capacitor ? Nothing ? Never tried this - no idea.
17. Does a capacitor interact with a permanent magnetic field differently when charged with 'kick' energy ?

Tao, I think you're going to have to start building, if you haven't already, to find out what the magnets are for....

[bob.diroto]

  I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."

Elvis, would you like to back that up with any rational logical argument or does being a smartass exclude you from doing this ?

The idea of a thought experiment is that you posit a series of logical steps that follow on from each other to arrive at an unexpected conclusion. In this case moving capacitors should create a moving magnetic field which is indeed an unheard of idea to me.

Simple stating that they don't is not helpful - it doesn't elicit any understanding which is the whole point of a thought experiment.

What is required is to understand which of the steps is actually invalid and why the subsequent step does not actually follow on.

1. Moving charges create magnetic fields around the charges.
2. If the charges are moving in a circle then the magnetic field is also moving. i.e. If at time T1 the charges are  in position P1 but not in position P2 but at time T2 they are in position P2 but not T1 by definition of step one above, this satisfies the condition for a moving magnetic field.
3. Capacitors contain charges.
4. Physically rotating charged capacitors fixed to the outside of a rotating cylinder will by definition be rotating the charges. i.e. Moving the charges from P1 to P2 in duration T1 to T2. and QED should create a rotating magnetic field.

Where is the fallacy in this set of logical steps, if indeed there is one.

a. If a magnetic field is created what are the implication of this ?
b. If a magnetic field is NOT created, why not ?

[Elvis Oswald]

bob - When I said I didn't want to sound like a smartass, I didn't mean I was shooting you down for the sake of it.  I was just trying to politely state the obvious.

First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux. 

Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current.  The current moves when it's discharged.

Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates.  I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor.  So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.

And last but not least... I am 100% sure that even if there was a magnetic field around a capacitor... you would be better off moving magnets instead of 2000V capacitors around.  And if you are just going to move magnetic fields around - whether they are magnets or caps or wires... you are still talking about a generator... and that is nothing new or exciting.

As far as this device - assuming it is for real - it is either using resonant LC circuits that act as an amplified antenna to draw power from some frequency (natural or manmade)... 
-OR- it's using disruptive discharge (on a smaller scale than Tesla or Gray) to break out a component of what we call electricity and step it up before converting it back to restart the process (thereby multiplying the power in increments) (of course it may just break the component out "for free" and it all just adds up.

If it's either one of these cases - an inductor in the device is simply part of a voltage multiplier (like in a microwave oven) meant to collect voltage for output.