The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"

[Dingus Mungus]

Hi, is it what You are talking about?
Hope it helps.

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf

Looks like exactly what I was hoping to find...
Wow... Thanks Savy!

Is that the "Steve Mark(s) Device" or just something similar?
If it is the "SMD", then have there been any replications yet?
In other words, does anyone know for certain this phenomenon is 'real'?

(I must admit this would be the greatest invention ever if sustainable)

I'm going to reveiw this patent info further now to see if it includes the
exact winding/wiring details. The whole world needs this device now, it is
the metaphorical 'kick' we all need to get back to true sovereignty.

Mr. Mark if you are reading this, I know you'll make the right choice and
share this technology with the world soon... Till then I wait in excitement.

[supersam]

dean

thanks for the post i think you might be on to something.  have you considered the effects of combining both phi and pi in your concept.  i think that the harmonics and mathmatics really are going to start to line up if you do.  three bar magnets are great but what about six?  how did you arrange your inner magnets to call them phi?  have you looked at 18 and 19? might be easier than a whole refitting.  let me know.  have you considered takin your phi spiral to asphere within a sphere instead of a cone within a cone?

how about making it a solid stat sphere in a sphere?  seems to me magnetic flux is spherical so to take ful advantage of the power of maqgnetics and also be able to manipulate for maximum power we are going to have to start thinking at least in three dimensions.  not saying it can't be done in two,but it seems to me that there will be a big difference in output between a circle and a sphere.

thanks
sam

[AdamMarquis]

Here's a (modified, better) cross post from another thread made to ask
about the MPInc solid state disk generator.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1437.msg11670.html#msg11670
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Overtone, I believe it's not as complex as you imply it is.
Sure it depends on magnets more than S. Mark's devices,
but still!!

To me it looks deceptively simple, (yet...
that damn flux is puzzling me!) here's why.

Best Electromagnetic Theory
=====================
When one looks at electromagnetics from a moving electron standpoint,
(without an unless magnetic field abstraction, take a look at the New Magnetism
of Distinti @ http://www.distinti.com ) a magnet being modelized as a one
wire loop of n amperes, it's easy to conceive and even calculate rougly
what's going on (with the the disk alternator in mind): if each magnet is modelized
as a square (full effecton/no effect, since orthogonality prevails)
wire of x amp, then one can easly modelize using the now free NIA1
document what's going on. Look on Distinti's website for more details.
http://distinti.com/distinti/ne/ne.htm
http://distinti.com/docs/        =>> To get access to all his papers
I need to recall that for him inertia arises from electron acceleration,
nothing else need to be used to explain it.

The Disk Alternator
==============
The Magnetic Power Inc device makes the Disk Alternator,
the most simple to build alternator from a guy in Laval, Quebec, Canada
US Pat. Application 20050099081 @ http://pat2pdf.org almost
obsolete, since it's  the same basic idea, except the magnets are
not moving. Now, if we take into account the 5-6 thousand
hertz Steven Mark was able to pulse its cores at, it would
mean that the solid state electrical generator is similar to
a disk alternator driven to circa 70,000 RPMs!!
There are other similar patents for alternators with coils on a disk
with spining magnets over them, can't recall the names nor numbers.

Adding to that the toroidally wound generator in the Sullivan patent,
20030025416 @ pat2pdf.org
and the low-loss rotating flux transformer patents from Westinghouse
4639610 and 4595843 @ http://pat2pdf.org
one can start understanding of what possibilities are out there.
Basically, saturate the core of the CEG to get free energy out of a
no-moving part flywheel, at least it's what I understand about it.
The Sullivan patent says backtorque appear only when core's saturated.
JNaudin replicated it.

Rotating Flux Generators
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The CEG,  20030168921, is the 4595843 patent applied to electrical
energy generation. The best way I know of implementing the
blaxbox box is SHE (Selective Harmonic Elimination) sinewave synthesis,
more commonly known as Magic Sinewaves.

I uncovered from this thread a reference to another rotating flux
patent(s, should I say), the ones from Chung Huyn from Huyn Laboratory Co Ltd,
about  this exact same principle of inertia in rotating flux, dating as far back as 1986.
The CEG was thus already discovered, it's almost a natural thing to do/try, to
almost to fully saturate a non-moving core with moving "flux" and play in that area. There's
even a French-written Morocco patent about this CEG/Rotating flux technology,
which is more like S.M.'s device than MPI's since it does not need magnets as much.
The patents uses the phrasing "travelling magnetic field", which is what bothers a
physics student who wish to get rid of the B field abstraction.
Here's how distinti came to see flux: it might change, but still interesting.
http://distinti.com/docs/classfluxan.pdf
I have not studied nor applied it to anything, but would seem to be the
way to go to explain logically an outdated theory about flux lines.
Sorry to make you read that poor phrasing, will think about it more thoroughly.

Almost-Bifilar Winding Enhancement
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Regarding the modeling of the drive coil's effect of the Gundersons device,
one has to think Fynn et al 's Parallel Path technology (newest patent 6342746).

The Parallel-Symmetric coil idea by Erl Koenig is worth of mention too.
It is contained in this US patent, 4806834, which state 25% current
reduction for the same magnetic effect is possible. (His 4584438
patent is a great application of this parallel-symmetric coil idea,
along with the more recent 5977707) It smells bifilar winding.
I recall that bifilar winding make the voltage between adjacent
wires V/2 (half Voltage) instead V over number of turns and I recall
all the potential applications ala TEP, much like using it as a capacitor
Energy Saver, which diminishes peak power but extent the "workfullnes"
of the stored charge couple times more, as one shorts a series capacitor
across the load when it becomes almost full. George Wiseman worked
on this problem, experimenting the serial/parallel capacitor concept with
washer fluid pumps.

The Anonymous poster's explanation of the Marks device
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg10964.html#msg10964
mention at the very first point the transistorized bifilar
kicker of Bedini, which is similar in action to the Time Energy Pump
project, which material might relate to the Mark device.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm

Negative Damping Phenomena
======================
Magnets opposing one another act as a negative damping coefficient
spring, as Cyril Smith posted I can't recall where (steorn forum IIRC).
He points out the Delta Tooling Co. US Patent 6232689 about a press
using big&powerful rectangular magnets with one of them rotating,
thus using the negative damping effect to replace classical hydraulic
systems.

Conclusion
========
I'm pretty sure the Gunderson device is home buildable from
the combined information in the aforementionned patents.
It's easly modelized and easly built IMO. But one never knows
until one tries, that's for sure.

I recently read the first few S.M. comments about the
difficulties of understanding his device, will read the others
as soon as I get time to give.

[savyasachi]

Hi, everyone.

I want to ask You one question:  can You just built it, and check, if it works??? Please, help me. I have no access to the materials, or place to do it myself at this time. But I always have this question in my head...does it really work?
It is only two coils, few magnets, and torroidall ferrid... or maybe I am wrong?

Or if You have ANY OTHER progect, or You know any thing working, please let me know!!!!

  Hope to hear from You soon.

Savyasaci

[dean_mcgowan]

Sam,

Out of respect I should really continue this discussion in the appropriate thread, however I hope no one minds this one post.

The phi spiral is evident when you lay the piece of paper I have inset in the second cone pic, flat as opposed to being inset as shown.

I intend to post more information soon in the appropriate thread once I have some more compelling results to offer, though I thought It was worthy of detailing and showing my efforts thus far. My version 2 model will be of similar scale yet I intent to employ much stronger magnets.

I will exhaust these options until I begin to change the basic design. Anyone who would like to try and replicate my efforts need only contact me and I will supply a full set of instructions as to how to proceed. No catches, no holding back of any information whatsoever.

Thankyou and Kudos to the Steven Marks device.

Regards,

Dean McGowan