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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 10, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
Hmmm. This is getting confusing. Maybe the KAD deserves a thread of its own as the designs differ

What does Cherryman say?

They are all inspired by Sjack Abeling, aren't they? The problem is that Abeling isn't forthcoming and we have to guess what his design is. @Cheriryman's seems very promising so far. Stefan has more experience with these designs and he's skeptical (too few steel balls, too steep the ascending path and so on). This may be true but the direction I think is promising. Unfortunately, I have no experience with WM2D, in fact, today is the first day I'm using it, and that stands in the way of me being more flexible. Wonder what other programs are out there similar to WM2D, to see if the effects are reproducible.

AquariuZ

Quote from: mondrasek on April 10, 2009, 03:21:37 PM
Yep.  WM2D sometimes assigns different masses to identical objects that are imported from DXF.  Don't know why...

BTW, all the ball/weights are okay.  Just the arms need fixing (or use my previously posted file where I removed the motor).

Got it thanks.

I deleted all vectors and momentum as well and let it go. It does not doe anything, and then very slowly starts to rotate LEFT. Uhuh.

I am going to experiment with the barriers as someone pointed out the top one seems to be much steeper.

Still confident this is the concept though. The rest is just tweaking until you get it right.

Look closely.

AquariuZ

Quote from: Omnibus on April 10, 2009, 03:22:59 PM
They are all inspired by Sjack Abeling, aren't they? The problem is that Abeling isn't forthcoming and we have to guess what his design is. @Cheriryman's seems very promising so far. Stefan has more experience with these designs and he's skeptical (too few steel balls, too steep the ascending path and so on). This may be true but the direction I think is promising. Unfortunately, I have no experience with WM2D, in fact, today is the first day I'm using it, and that stands in the way of me being more flexible. Wonder what other programs are out there similar to WM2D, to see if the effects are reproducible.

Eh no, his KAD had nothing to do with Abeling as he explained earlier.

I just do not want to cloud the concept I am trying but I leave it up to him.

Grimer

Quote from: Grimer on April 10, 2009, 02:55:44 PM
Hi Stefan,
I've been swotting up on the history of Johann Bessler. What a fantastic story. It seems to me the evidence of his wheel's reality is very strong indeed. Which can only mean the Sjack has stumbled upon its secret. I suppose someone had to, sooner or later. I shall have to find the time line in relation to Carnot.

Cheers, Frank

Carnot's work was over a century after Bessler's wheel so Bessler must have developed his wheel by trial and error. I suppose what has prevented its re-discovery until now is the idea the a perpetual motion machine driven by gravity is impossible. demonstrably this is not the case as more perceptive people, like Harvey on Fizzx, realise.
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising  -  Fair as the moon. Bright as the sun  -  Terrible as an army set in battle array.

mondrasek

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 10, 2009, 03:26:18 PM
Still confident this is the concept though. The rest is just tweaking until you get it right.

I completely agree that you have modeled the intended path of weights in the wheel shown in the video.  Fantastic job with both the detective work and the models.  I just hope this wheel is representative of what Abeling says actually works, and not just attempts from before he found the key concept.  I also still wonder if the pictures are missing some other mechanism that works in conjunction with the wheel slots and static guides.

Remember that finding the right geometry for the slot profiles is probably as important as the guide profiles and angles.

One more pointer to speed your efforts.  If every slot is the same, this type of wheel should work with only two slots and weights 180 degrees apart.  Testing a single pair set up might go quicker.  Because if one weight cannot lift one opposite weight, eight of the same will still not lift eight more.

Good luck!  I hope you beat Abeling to his unveiling!

M.