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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@mrsean2k,

When I mentioned parallel processing it was regarding @mondrasek’s remark that calculations are done sequentially, one element at a time. I was thinking maybe if these calculations are done in parallel that would avoid the out of sequence problem we were talking about â€" calculations done for an element when the conditions for the other elements have changed. Otherwise, in terms of accuracy you’re undoubtedly right. No wonder why difference equations are not exactly differential equations.

@mondrasek,

Probably saying that centrifugal force is not a true force is a bit confusing because the body does experience it. The emphasis should be on the fact which you clearly point out that it is a reaction to a force for which you have to spend energy to create. That is, centrifugal force cannot be used to create energy. On the contrary, energy is spent to have centrifugal force appear. This has to be understood well because it causes a lot of confusion and false expectations, which is evident even in the latest posts.

On the other hand, it is true that the centrifugal force may help in aligning the elements in a favorable way which would allow them to produce energy by some other route, if such route exists. That is, one may think, some energy (part of the previously produced such) is spent to align the elements properly so that further greater energy is produced. That’s, of course, easier said then done when continuous production of such excess energy is aimed at (discontinuously, the way to produce excess energy is already clear).

Maybe I should add, if a proper construction to produce excess energy continuously exists, it should be enough for the aligning the elements properly for its production. One doesn't need centrifugal force to do that alignment. So focusing on the centrifugal force doesn't help much, if at all, when continuous production of excess energy is the goal.

AquariuZ

Quote from: Cherryman on April 14, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
So the wheel is not bothered by the ball in the upmovement.. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBygA2vOHx4&feature=channel

That is just what Abeling mentions in the patent. Effortless ascend of the weights.

This is worth taking another look at for sure... Maybe not restricting the ball when it leaves the ramp...

On thing is for sure, "scissoring it" or squeezing it like a cherry pit (no pun intended) between thumb and finger fails miserable due to the friction generated.

No friction - no real acceleration. The more friction the more loss.

AquariuZ

Quote from: Cherryman on April 14, 2009, 10:00:28 AM
Talking about strange behaviour...  Why is this going the wrong side???

Same thing, the mass of the wedge is too small. wm2d has a problem with that for some reason.

Set the mass to one KG and it works fine

Cherryman

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 14, 2009, 03:23:56 PM


This is worth taking another look at for sure... Maybe not restricting the ball when it leaves the ramp...



Grinzz...  That is the basic of the KAD system al along..  Those are from the drawings i started with.. , my first prototype i built with my daughter from lego and an old harddisk and a few rails was built on this principle  ( didn't work, in case you're wondering)   ;D It seems that we do not only play with circles, whe also a walking around in them  :o

mondrasek

Quote from: Omnibus on April 14, 2009, 03:20:13 PM
Probably saying that centrifugal force is not a true force is a bit confusing because the body does experience it.

I'm not thrilled with calling CF "not a true force", but I have seen it expressed as that, or as a "fictional force".

Lets try this example.  You are driving straight in your car.  If we remove all friction you will continue in a straight line forever.  When you initiate a turn by turning the steering wheel, you feel CF, right?  It pushes you away from the way you want to turn.  But what is really happening is your body is trying to continue in a straight line.  There is no force pushing on you.  So CF is fictitious.  What you notice is the change in direction of your reference frame which is the car.  It turns due to a force, but your body does not want to.  What you are experiencing is a resistance to a change in direction due to a force.

I agree it is very confusing to use those terms.  But it might also be more confusing for the term Centrifugal Force to have ever been used in the first place.  Maybe it should have been the Centrifugal Sensation?

M.