Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[Omnibus]

Omnibus, You claim my calculation is wrong, because you assert the force developed on the system can't exceed the force due to gravity. I admit, that does seem to be "common sense". That doesn't stop the assertion being false

Using your principle the primitive machine "wedge" doesn't work.

We can no longer split rock with a wedge, because the force developed by the wedge sideways "can't" exceed the force put in by the operator.

Using your principle the primitive machine "screw" no longer works. We can no longer use jack to lift a car, because the force developed by the screw "can't" exceed the force put in by the operator.

By all means continue to do your calculations, they're an interesting mental exercise, but my third, 4 weight wheel, and just about every failed wheel before it "works" according to your constructions.

Your incorrect maths are not what makes Abelings wheel work.

No, this is not what I explained. Read it again, try to understand it and stop this useless exchange.

[stgpcm]

No, you didn't. Arrogance is no argument.

Yes I did, I showed three entirely separate methods for calculating the torque, all of which gave the same result.

you have stated only one way, and state it is correct. YOU are the one using proof by arrogance. Please stop wasting the time of those trying to discover how Abeling's wheel works.

[stgpcm]

No, this is not what I explained. Read it again, try to understand it and stop this useless exchange.

@stgpcm,

Any force that is derived from this mass can only be of lower (smaller, lesser) magnitude than its initial one.

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the torque which this mass will create can only be lower (smaller, lesser) than the torque this mass can create without a guide but for the same arm. Guides cannot create more mass than the mass than the mass initially given.

BUSTED. Here you clearly state that the force on the system can't be any more than the input force.

Wedge. Screw. Inclined plane. Lever. None of these work in Omnibus's world.

[Omnibus]

BUSTED. Here you clearly state that the force on the system can't be any more than the input force.

Wedge. Screw. Inclined plane. Lever. None of these work in Omnibus's world.

The above proves you don't know the essence of this problem. Like I said, useless exchange.

[Cloxxki]

The above proves you don't know the essence of this problem. Like I said, useless exchange.

You have now each spent ~50 posts quarrelling over calculations. Perhaps you could take it offline, and find a mutually respected scientist to take a stance?
You are both showing symptoms of the somebody-is-wrong-on-the-internet syndrome.

Please divert your excess energy towards creating a PMM. It could have been invented, documented and independently confirmed halfway your quarrel, let alone if you worked together.

Thank you.