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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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matrixman

You can bring math to the man but you can't make him think.

"Different value of kinetic energy from the same potential energy"

Omni start both balls at the same time. When the ball which is traveling along the curve has reached its horizontal halfway point take a photo. Compare the vertical height of both balls. Is it the same? No, the ball following the curve will be lower down in the gravity well, meaning it's potential at that moment in time was greater. When both balls reach the end they will have transversed the same potential and both will be traveling at the same speed.
I kept the bus out of your name cause I think you missed it on this on.

Fletcher your a smart guy, I'm glad to see you showing backbone. Wish you would at that other place.

Omnibus

Quote from: matrixman on March 04, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
You can bring math to the man but you can't make him think.

"Different value of kinetic energy from the same potential energy"

Omni start both balls at the same time. When the ball which is traveling along the curve has reached its horizontal halfway point take a photo. Compare the vertical height of both balls. Is it the same? No, the ball following the curve will be lower down in the gravity well, meaning it's potential at that moment in time was greater. When both balls reach the end they will have transversed the same potential and both will be traveling at the same speed.
I kept the bus out of your name cause I think you missed it on this on.

Fletcher your a smart guy, I'm glad to see you showing backbone. Wish you would at that other place.

I'd suggest a different, physically more correct comparison. Compare the distance traveled by the two balls (along the curved and the straight path) from beginning to end. Release both balls at the same time from the start.

Now show backbone and state clearly is distance traveled divided by time of travel from beginning to end the same for both balls? If you say it isn't (which you'll do if you have backbone) then one had different velocity from the other which means one had different kinetic energy than the other. And yet they had the same potential energy.

Now, show backbone and acknowledge the truthfulness of the obvious: "Different value of kinetic energy from the same potential energy"

mondrasek

Quote from: Omnibus on March 04, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
Now show backbone and state clearly is distance traveled divided by time of travel from beginning to end the same for both balls? If you say it isn't (which you'll do if you have backbone) then one had different velocity from the other which means one had different kinetic energy than the other. And yet they had the same potential energy.

Now, show backbone and acknowledge the truthfulness of the obvious: "Different value of kinetic energy from the same potential energy"

Omni, you keep leaving out the key word!  Here, I'll correct this for you:

Now show backbone and state clearly is distance traveled divided by time of travel from beginning to end the same for both balls? If you say it isn't (which you'll do if you have backbone) then one had different average velocity from the other which means one had different average kinetic energy than the other. And yet they had the same potential energy.

Now, show backbone and acknowledge the truthfulness of the obvious: "Different value of average kinetic energy from the same potential energy"

matrixman

Your quite the ding dong.

"And yet they had the same potential energy"

Only at the end sweetheart, and at that time they are traveling at the same velocity. In between that time they each have a different potential.  

Now that's several buses gone, run forest run.
:D

Omnibus

Quote from: matrixman on March 04, 2010, 02:20:08 PM
Your quite the ding dong.

"And yet they had the same potential energy"

Only at the end sweetheart, and at that time they are traveling at the same velocity. In between that time they each have a different potential.  

Now that's several buses gone, run forest run.
:D

Of course, at the end. Where else? That's the correct physics, not the one you propose.

The physical fact which you run from is that each ball traverses different physical distance while starting at the same level and ending also at the same, although lower, level. That's the first fact you run from like hell. The second fact you run from is that while starting at the same time and at the same level the ball traveling along the longer path arrives sooner at the end, again at the same, although lower, level. At the end, mind you. Not inbetween. Comparing what's happening inbetween in non-physical if one needs to compare what has happened with the same available potential energy.

You can run but you can't hide. You can't hide even behind the "average" velocity. Because a body with a higher average velocity also has greater kinetic energy than a body with a lower average velocity. How's that?