High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !

[Ros-Co.]

Hi!

I'm a relatively nem member, and i like to share the results of my experiments.

I observed a very interesting effect, during my research of a Meyer-like device.

I used quality distilled water.  Normally it's not conductive.  With high voltages, and special conditions, it produces very interesting things.
When I put high voltage to the water, with a thick electrode (a leg of a HV diode) a water can be pulled out from the surface, like a "gum"

I think it caused by special flows, generated by a magnetic and electric field.

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/huzaseffekt/MVI_3358.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/huzaseffekt/IMG_3357k.jpg

A generator is an overdrived flyback-transformer, about 100 W, at about 27KHz.  Freq is not critical. (tune to the flyback's self res.)

The Meyer-effect replicated also, but not in resonance. There have less efficiency, it generates too much heat. 
Its driven by a push-pull inverter, that generates 600V, at 42,8KHz (i observed a freq is not important in this setup...  sorry)
A voltage rectified by a string of UF4007 diodes (6 pcs in series)   and after two flybacks's secondary attached boths side of the cell. 
That's like the normal Meyer circuit.
And the trick:

An electrodes need to be very closer! (and if possible, placed in an "edge" form) Without it, cell doesn't produce any gas. Interesting. Isn't it?
The plates haven't enough capacitance to creates resonance.  But with wider surface, resistive losses damatically increases, that cause the heating of water.

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3364.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3365.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3368.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3369.AVI
(on the last video one of the flyback-based inductor can be seen)


The third experiment was egaspower.  (It's posted on a forum on yahoo?)
A few hundred uF elko charged t0 300V, was discharged underwater.  It's a little bit difficult, because resistive losses discharges the capacitor, and causes heating. It needs an insulated electrodes, with VERY small free conductive part.  I cut a stripe from a normal house wire. The arc formed between two free wire-ends.

It needs a trigger circuit at least 6 KV.  Expample an ingition transformer. i use 6V type, drive from 12V. It makes enough trigger energy.
The problem are diodes.  Very high current and high voltage types are recommended.  I burned ot some MW oven diodes.


The original circuit:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/engine1.gif
My setup:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower1.jpg
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower1.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower2.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower3.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower4.avi

The result:  It generates very strong shock waves (the plastic jar jumping)   In the first experiment, a glass jar was blown out.... You can easily blow out beer glass (first drink the beer! )  Unfortunately a gadget doesn't generate hidrogen.  I think the hidrogen burns out immediately.
Maybe If you put some comprimed water steam into a cylinder, you would generate a shock wave in the cylinder, converting this energy into a usable form.  The original plan uses egaspower circuit to firing a mixture of gasoline/water.  I like only use water. But It needs more energy.



And finally the plasma electrlolisis project:
The same supply used in the previous experiment (rectified 230V AC+elko)
A Wolfram weldin electrode (4mm thick) can be placed into a sodabicarbone (sodium-hydrogen-carbonate) solution.  Te arg generates VERY much heat, but I can't measure it.  A strong plasma easily melts wolfram, or other.   With carbon rod, you can generate a HIGH amount of generator gas (H2+CO)  but it's not an overunity trick, because a carbon rod grows thinner.  (forming CO, catches the O2 part of the water)

http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/plasma_electrolisis.avi

That's all for today. Huh. 

Good work!
Ros-Co.

http://www.hvlabs.hu
(warning! It's only avaiable on martian's language!  )

[saintsnick]

Meyers patent is similar to Stiffler's work in that Meyers was also using 50 percent duty cycle, with his torroid transformer kickback voltage filling in the gap as every other pulse in his step charging scheme.

Also, myers patent clearly states "No Electrolyte" !!!!!! I saw the video, he was filling the device with tap water!

It's the High Voltage slaping across the electrodes, charging the highly resistive non electrolyte water.  More pulses in charging cycle, higher the voltage rises....  This is his step charging process.

Hey, Ros-Co...   cool pictures of the HV causing the water surface tension to bend upward toward the electrode.  That looks something like what Puharich was talking about in his patent.  But I didn't read that too carefully.

Meyers early device I saw on the video had one chamber, several concentric ring electrodes contained within.  Obviously, a way to increase electrode surface area in the water.  Again, trying to keep current at a minimum, more surface area = more capacitance, slower resonant tank frequency; water capacitor with the inductors and transformer winding.    I'm thinking any transformer should work as long as it has high enough turns ratio to induce high enough secondary voltage.  Frequency I would think could be ajusted by ajusting inductance of accompanying series inductors.  I'm gonna' tinker in this direction.

-sNick

[mikestocks2006]

Hi!

I'm a relatively nem member, and i like to share the results of my experiments.

I observed a very interesting effect, during my research of a Meyer-like device.

I used quality distilled water.  Normally it's not conductive.  With high voltages, and special conditions, it produces very interesting things.
When I put high voltage to the water, with a thick electrode (a leg of a HV diode) a water can be pulled out from the surface, like a "gum"

I think it caused by special flows, generated by a magnetic and electric field.

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/huzaseffekt/MVI_3358.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/huzaseffekt/IMG_3357k.jpg

A generator is an overdrived flyback-transformer, about 100 W, at about 27KHz.  Freq is not critical. (tune to the flyback's self res.)

The Meyer-effect replicated also, but not in resonance. There have less efficiency, it generates too much heat. 
Its driven by a push-pull inverter, that generates 600V, at 42,8KHz (i observed a freq is not important in this setup...  sorry)
A voltage rectified by a string of UF4007 diodes (6 pcs in series)   and after two flybacks's secondary attached boths side of the cell. 
That's like the normal Meyer circuit.
And the trick:

An electrodes need to be very closer! (and if possible, placed in an "edge" form) Without it, cell doesn't produce any gas. Interesting. Isn't it?
The plates haven't enough capacitance to creates resonance.  But with wider surface, resistive losses damatically increases, that cause the heating of water.

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3364.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3365.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3368.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/meyer/MVI_3369.AVI
(on the last video one of the flyback-based inductor can be seen)


The third experiment was egaspower.  (It's posted on a forum on yahoo?)
A few hundred uF elko charged t0 300V, was discharged underwater.  It's a little bit difficult, because resistive losses discharges the capacitor, and causes heating. It needs an insulated electrodes, with VERY small free conductive part.  I cut a stripe from a normal house wire. The arc formed between two free wire-ends.

It needs a trigger circuit at least 6 KV.  Expample an ingition transformer. i use 6V type, drive from 12V. It makes enough trigger energy.
The problem are diodes.  Very high current and high voltage types are recommended.  I burned ot some MW oven diodes.


The original circuit:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/engine1.gif
My setup:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower1.jpg
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower1.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower2.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower3.avi
http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower4.avi

The result:  It generates very strong shock waves (the plastic jar jumping)   In the first experiment, a glass jar was blown out.... You can easily blow out beer glass (first drink the beer! )  Unfortunately a gadget doesn't generate hidrogen.  I think the hidrogen burns out immediately.
Maybe If you put some comprimed water steam into a cylinder, you would generate a shock wave in the cylinder, converting this energy into a usable form.  The original plan uses egaspower circuit to firing a mixture of gasoline/water.  I like only use water. But It needs more energy.



And finally the plasma electrlolisis project:
The same supply used in the previous experiment (rectified 230V AC+elko)
A Wolfram weldin electrode (4mm thick) can be placed into a sodabicarbone (sodium-hydrogen-carbonate) solution.  Te arg generates VERY much heat, but I can't measure it.  A strong plasma easily melts wolfram, or other.   With carbon rod, you can generate a HIGH amount of generator gas (H2+CO)  but it's not an overunity trick, because a carbon rod grows thinner.  (forming CO, catches the O2 part of the water)

http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/plasma_electrolisis.avi

That's all for today. Huh. 

Good work!
Ros-Co.

http://www.hvlabs.hu
(warning! It's only avaiable on martian's language!  )

Nice work, thanks for posting.

on the last http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/egaspower4.avi

what voltage, current are you measuring at what frequencies?

Tia

[hartiberlin]

Hi Ros-Co,
nice experiments !
You wrote:

And finally the plasma electrlolisis project:
The same supply used in the previous experiment (rectified 230V AC+elko)
A Wolfram weldin electrode (4mm thick) can be placed into a sodabicarbone (sodium-hydrogen-carbonate) solution.  Te arg generates VERY much heat, but I can't measure it.  A strong plasma easily melts wolfram, or other.   With carbon rod, you can generate a HIGH amount of generator gas (H2+CO)  but it's not an overunity trick, because a carbon rod grows thinner.  (forming CO, catches the O2 part of the water)

http://www.hvlabs.hu/tmp/plasma_electrolisis.avi

a few questions:

Are you able with your power supply to get an ARC
UNDER WATER with 2 tungsten rods ?
So put 2 rods from the side into the water-bicarbonate solution
like a "V" shape and let them touch slightly under water and
pull them a bit appart.
( Please don?t do this by your 2 hands as if you touch
the 2 rods incidently you could get an electroshock, that
could kill you ! Place the 1st rod on a holder stand into the water
by 45 degrees and use only the right hand to touch via isolated
gloves or something simular the 2nd rod and put them under water
and touch the 1st electrode and pull them apart, so that an arc will be
got..)
Can you still get an arc then burning under the water ?
Maybe this needs more DC input power ?
Maybe 800 Volts DC and higher Amperage ?
( Be extremly cautious not to get an electroshock,
cause 800 Volts DC at a big capacitor will kill you
in an instant !!!!!     )

If you get this to work you could generate also
some kind of generator gas or at least lots of steam
heat for a good overunity heater !
The only thing which you would consume would be the water
and the tungsten rods might not be consumed under water ??

[RonS]

Question for saintsnick Post#13 May23,2006

You made the following statement;

"Something to note, Stiffler is talking about the Redux reaction actually being ionic in his case.  This is NOT ordinary electrolosys."

Lets say we have a mild salt solution (NaCl),

Cathode reaction =     2e- + 2(H2O) -----> H2 + 2(OH-)
Anode reaction =  2(H2O) ----> O2 + 4H+ + 4e-

The eletrode reaction are for the most part the same for almost all dilute aqueous electrolytes and even for pure water.

So where is ionic not ordinary electrolysis. If it were ohmic would not the e- flow from one electrode to the other, bypassing the above reaction?

My understanding of electrolysis holds with that defined by Linus Pauling, "General Chemistry" 1970.

You other findings from the site are correct as to how the CRE works, yet we can obtain 180% eff. using this method, although as explained it does have it limitations.

Thanks for looking through the info and getting it right, most don't.