Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[stivep]

Funny thing. In the last TK video we did not see any fan blowing on some transistors. Of course it could be in the plastic container or on those circuit boards.

@stivep

I have a question if possible but please understand that I am bringing this up with the greatest level of respect for both you and TK.

Very valuable concern ....
I have had the same...
the problem is that box was small and if any battery was there than it could only pulse using 16.6666 A from 12 V
It is doable  but for short period of time.
Guess what ... not for 30 minutes with   few small intervals.
The time of start up was 1 second or less than  1 second.
We both know that charging battery takes longer than one second.
And  say...
reverse it............
little of theory before that:
Coulombs are amps times seconds.

Joules (energy) are kilograms times meters squared divided by seconds squared.

Volts are kilogram times meters squared divided by Amps times seconds cubed.

Volts times coulombs equals energy.

so say we take Joules:
- take capacitor  that has 1 joule of energy
try  discharge it in period of 1 spark
surprisingly you found that you did not discharge  the capacitor.... hm??
It takes time to do it............


A single pulse condition relates to pulses which are sufficiently infrequent as to make mean power negligible. In other words, the resistor cools completely to ambient temperature between successive pulses.
That is one of secrets of SHVGS...

So lets go to  :
http://www.welwyn-tt.com/products/resistors/calculation-tools.asp

Single Pulse

Resistor:A single pulse condition relates to pulses which are sufficiently infrequent as to make mean power negligible. In other words, the resistor cools completely to ambient temperature between successive pulses.Resistor Value (Ω):Pulse



So we  bring  close two  ends of capacitor together till it spark.


Resistor Value (Ω):0.00001 ( this is resistance   for 1 spark)
Pulse Amplitude:Peak Voltage Vpk (V):12
Rectangular Pulse Duration Tp(ms)0.0001
Capacitor Value (μF):1000
Peak Power of Pulse (W):14400000
Pulse Energy (J):1.44
You can play with it it is interesting try to make longer time for  square. you going to be amazed...


Anyhow  it is proven that looking at discharge characteristic you need more time  do discharge  capacitor..
and more  time to charge battery..


Now calculate 50 Hz   (use section Continuous Pulse)

and try to see how long you going to be able to drive 12 V batery
with 16.666 A?........
got the picture??

No way...... The system was working..............
Or I did not see  what I saw.

Wesley

PS: there is another explanation:
Even if we  state that battery might of be  used there than...
That is very good.....
The battery could only operate  SHVGS
Perfectly OK with me..
It is than  Donald Smith concept...
Than we would think that it was one of first models (experiments)
of TK and  the guy simply did not connect samozapitku (self powering loop)
But when we have 200W load on  the system than... if the device was not working  as desired we should have 16.666A  drown from battery........That would not be able to be happened isn't it?

[stivep]

The connectivity of the red cable from the lamps concerning the bifilar caduceus got me thinking a lot.
If it would be actually becoming part of that coil, then what would the other monofilar part (as in part of the bifilar) be connected to at all?

Looked at Stivep's hi-res photos again and it seems that the 2 red cables on the right side have a slightly different wire diameter. (maybe 6mm and 8mm)

The point is that the thicker cable is actually the cable that goes to the lamps
and from doing some measurements on the pic it seems that it would be too thick to possibly be part of the coil (see attached pic). The coil seems to be made with 2 smaller diameter cables.

diameter of the wire does not count.
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Air-Core-Inductor-Calculator.phtml

In this calculator there is no place for  diameter of wire..
the thickens of the wire only stands about its  electrical strength to current  and nothing else


Wesley

PS: wow wow wow....... is that really what I said??
How about capacitance of the winding between the winds???
Hm... got to think about it...............

[Magluvin]

diameter of the wire does not count.
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Air-Core-Inductor-Calculator.phtml

In this calculator there is no place for  diameter of wire..
the thickens of the wire only stands about its  electrical strength to current  and nothing else


Wesley

That is an interesting point.  There also is no inner diameter measurement. So the algorithm must make due with what is given. 

So, It would seem what counts is how many conductors and the for how long of a distance they are next to each other.

Same number of conductors, but larger dia = more copper = more inductance.  ;]

Makes me wonder about Bruce tpu and many strands of litz.

Does resistance play a part in how much inductance can be?

If we have 1 coil with 100 turns and another with 100 single turns, all in parallel, do we have the same inductance? Difference in ohms?

What other difference would we have in these 2 100 turn coils that would cause the difference in inductance? Length of the wire/freq?

Mags

[xenomorphlabs]

@Wesley: It seems you focused on the word "diameter" too much and did not see the main point i was making, which was an effort to measure in the picture if the red cable powering the lamps could possibly be going through a drilled hole in the core tube, then becoming part of the caduceus winding as user Yfree has assumed.
From the measurement result, it looks like it is not the same cable.
To explain the functionality of the whole thing it is crucial to grasp whether we got a cable running all the way through the core or being part of the coil.

Of course one could argue that this does not fully exclude the possibility that the red cable could be twisted to a smaller cable inside the core, but it is a tad less likely.

[stivep]

That is an interesting point.  There also is no inner diameter measurement. So the algorithm must make due with what is given. 

So, It would seem what counts is how many conductors and the for how long of a distance they are next to each other.

Same number of conductors, but larger dia = more copper = more inductance.  ;]

Makes me wonder about Bruce tpu and many strands of litz.

Does resistance play a part in how much inductance can be?

If we have 1 coil with 100 turns and another with 100 single turns, all in parallel, do we have the same inductance? Difference in ohms?

What other difference would we have in these 2 100 turn coils that would cause the difference in inductance? Length of the wire/freq?

Mags

Here is ho  it works
Type of coils:
"Some common electromagnetic coils include:
A bifilar coil is a coil that employs two parallel windings.
A Barker coil is used in low field NMR imaging.
A Balun is set of transformer coils for transmission lines.
A Braunbeck coil is used in geomagnetic research.
A degaussing coil is used in the process of removing permanent magnetism (magnetic hysteresis) from an object.
A choke coil (or choking coil) is low-resistance inductor used to block alternating current while passing direct current.
A Flat coil is used in thin electric motors.
A Garrett coil is used in metal detectors.
A Helmholtz coil is a device for producing a region of nearly uniform magnetic field.
A hybrid coil (or bridge transformer) is a single transformer that effectively has three windings.
An induction coil (or ignition coil) is an electrical device in common use as the ignition system (ignition coil or spark coil) of internal-combustion engines.
A loading coil is, in electronics, a coil (inductor) inserted in a circuit to increase its inductance. Archaically called Pupin coils.
A multiple coil magnet is an electromagnet that has several coils of wire connected in parallel.
A Maxwell coil is a device for producing almost a constant magnetic field.
A Micro coil use in security devices.
A Oudin coil is a disruptive discharge coil.
The polyphase coils are connected together in a polyphase system such as a generator or motor.
A relay coil is the copper winding part of a relay that produces a magnetic field that actuates the mechanism.
A Repeating coil is a voice-frequency transformer.
A Rogowski coil is an electrical device for measuring alternating current.
A Rook coil is a high Q coil wave wound cylindrical coil often used for crystal sets.
A single coil is a type of pickup for the electric guitar.
A solenoid is a mechanical device, based on a coil of wire, that usually converts energy into linear motion, however solenoids also come in a rotary motion (normally up to a turn of 90 degrees).
A Spider coil is a high Q wave wound flat coil often used for crystal sets, that somewhat resembles a spider's web."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil
As you see there is no place for diameter of wire here.
where Henry [µH] (microhenries) are units of inductance, R is the coil radius (measured in inches to the center of the conductor), N is the number of turns, and L is the length of the coil in inches.

but pancake  cylindrical coil is little different and formula is different as well.
http://makearadio.com/coils/spider.php
L=(r*n)^2 / (8r + 11b), with L = inductance, r = mean radius, n = number of turns and b = coil depth. The means the inductance is equal to the mean radius times the number of turns squared divided by 8 times the mean radius plus 11 times the coil depth

That state .. when thicker wire is used than  radius of that type of coil is larger.

Tesla coil:
Avoid "metalized" or "metal film" (the metal film is too thin to handle Tesla coil currents). Avoid polyester capacitors.

dV/dT is an important specification in Tesla coil capacitors. It states how fast voltages can change in the capacitor. Tesla coils operate at high voltages and high frequencies so it's important to use caps with high dV/dT ratings. The dV/dT is usually stated as V/uS. dV/dT is calculated as:
dV/dT = 2 x pi x Vpeak x Frequency
For example:
If we have a MMC running at 15kV RMS (15000 * 1.414 = 21kV peak) but we have 10 series caps in our MMC so each cap has 2.1kV
and 160kHz resonate frequency (TeslaMap can calculate the resonate frequency).
dV/dT = 2 x pi x Vpeak x Frequency
dV/dT = 2 x pi x 2100 x 160000
dV/dT = 2111150263 V/S
dV/dT = 2111 V/uS
(I think that's correct)
So under these conditions you should choose caps with a minimum dV/dT of about 2000 V/uS.

You can use dV/dT to estimate peak current by using the following calculation:
Ipeak = Capacitance * dV/dT
Using our dV/dT from above with a 0.056uF cap:
Ipeak = 0.000000056 * 2111150263
Ipeak = 118amps
That's a lot of current!
http://www.teslacoildesign.com/

So as you see there is no place for wire diameter in calculation as well.
Main thing people are being  confuse about is
IMPEDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!! versus RESISTANCE

Impedance is calculated based on  factual resistive  factors   existing in the coil or LC circuit at given frequency...
So main  requirement for impedance to take place is   AC or frequency or fluctuation   in DC (square  shape signal)
If there is no change to  DC than there is no impedance in the circuit. And we are dealing with resistance only



Surprisingly enough  I gave  question to  few  forums.. and noone was able to respond to such a simple question.

The question was:
Every piece of  wire  contains its own inductance and  capacitance.
Every piece of wire ( straight or coiled ) is a resonant circuit even that  one  that is never connected anywhere..
When that  we would have situation that will  make this piece of wire  to be no longer a resonant circuit..??

Well.. Ham radio operators have had a problem with that question as well.

So the answer is:
- any piece of wire when connected to DC is no longer  resonant circuit and does not have impedance.. It is purely resistive in nature..
- any piece of wire that is not connected  anywhere  will no longer be resonant circuit if placed inside of Faraday Cage .
as there will not  be any influence of any RF signal to make it resonant.

Simple isn't it?

So what counts than?
L= (d^2 * n^2)/(18d+40l)

where:

L is inductance in micro Henrys,
d is coil diameter in inches,
l  is coil length in inches, and
n is number of turns.

Again no place for   wire diameter here .


In theory   coil made from 24 AVG will have the same inductance as coil made from 2AVG ( gauge)

but there is a catch....

Depends on frequency used.........
"The higher the frequency the more visible is skin  effect.
Skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor with the current density being largest near the surface of the conductor, decreasing at greater depths. In other words, the electric current flows mainly at the "skin" of the conductor, at an average depth called the skin depth. The skin effect causes the effective resistance of the conductor to increase at higher frequencies where the skin depth is smaller, thus reducing the effective cross-section of the conductor. The skin effect is due to opposing eddy currents induced by the changing magnetic field resulting from the alternating current. At 60 Hz in copper, the skin depth is about 8.5 mm. At high frequencies the skin depth may be much smaller. Increased AC resistance due to the skin effect can be mitigated by using specially woven litz wire. Because the interior of a large conductor carries so little of the current, tubular conductors such as pipe can be used to save weight and cost."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

So we may say that at higher current we need   wider path for current to flow... that would be our  diameter of wire.
Comparing to  flow of cars on highway... the less cars the higher speed of each individual car is possible..
but than one might ask the question:
why than in the center of the conductor  these single electrons  do not move faster.. ( they do not have any  competition form other electrons   there)?
The answer is:
The lower the frequency the higher  is flow  near by the center of conductor..


One may ask  why electrolytic capacitor is made of wide aluminium foil rolled up and  how that structure differ from a coil made of copper9 winded same way)?



Well........
that aluminium  could be copper  as well but  cost of capacitor  would be to high.. and fluid used for electrolyte might of be redesigned..
So yes diameter of the wire does matter!!!!
It increases  capacitance of the wire and causes  change to self
resonant frequency ( bringing it lower)

So what about inductance than???
In theory  it will be at the same level as coil made from 24AVG wire..

Strange  isn't it?

But overall impedance will change a lot..
do you see the picture???






Wesley

PS: the most important fact to remember is:
- there is no impedance that is  the same for the same coil.
capacitive Reactance and inductive Reactance will be  different  at any given frequency.
So overall impedance will never be the same  when  frequency changes.
for the same coil.- never  touched and  never  altered.
Even if the coil is not connected to any circuit at all.
You can make  piece of wire wiggling ( moving)  on the table just because this wire is at resonance with RF if the current in that wire will reach level and in the  effect temperature that does effect  atomic  bonds  to expand.( inductive heating)