Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

[gyulasun]

Here are Thane Heins patent applications, altogether 4:
http://v3.espacenet.com/searchResults?IA=HEINS+THANE+CHRISTOPHER&DB=EPODOC&submitted=true&locale=en_EP&ST=quick&compact=false

Unfortunately two of them do not include the Figure drawings because in the patent office they found them as unscannable...   

These two patents are The Infiniti Generator CA2437745  and Toroid generator Coil CA2602439.  It is rather strange to hand in drawings that are unscannable.  LOL

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

Good morning, I am new in this forum, (I have already posted in the "French Section"... I'am a Student Pianist and 23 years old.

I actually studying science by myself, I'am interested by solid state "Overunity Device" and "Free energy in general".
OK, I post here some theory to eventually helping some guys trying to replicate it...
I try here to demonstrate mathematicaly and scientifically the truth of the concept... I used some formula to do this.
I'am not a mathematician or a scientist this my personal interpretation of the concept...
The conclusion is this device have great potential to produce large OU !!!
I Hope helping you.

(sorry for my English, I speak French and live in France...)

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Hi SchubertReijiMaigo, Thank you for the pictorial files and information. I watched thanes latest Bi-toroid video and the only thing I see that may be different is the fact that his central primary coil would tend not to traverse the larger inductance flux paths, otherwise maybe just the fact that your showing larger alternate inductance flux paths may work as well. I'm building a very small test device made from large steel washers, the washers are 1-3/4" od. by 3/4" id. by 1/8" thick. I have one washer with a 24 gauge bifilar coil to use as a self oscillator and glued together three washers to attach to the one primary washer. Here is a cad pic of the setup. Let me know what you folks think.
peace love light
Tyson

[teslaalset]

Good morning, I am new in this forum, (I have already posted in the "French Section"... I'am a Student Pianist and 23 years old.

I actually studying science by myself, I'am interested by solid state "Overunity Device" and "Free energy in general".
OK, I post here some theory to eventually helping some guys trying to replicate it...
I try here to demonstrate mathematicaly and scientifically the truth of the concept... I used some formula to do this.
I'am not a mathematician or a scientist this my personal interpretation of the concept...
The conclusion is this device have great potential to produce large OU !!!
I Hope helping you.

(sorry for my English, I speak French and live in France...)

@SchubertReijiMaigo
Welcome to Overunity.com, always good to have new enthousiasts around here.
It's pretty unique to have a pianist around us that is interested in OU.

Allow me a few comments to your theory.
I have quickly red your calculations and it seems you take fixed permeability numbers into account.
Unfortunately this is a mistake that many people make when looking to this system.
Thane is skipping part of the actual mechanism in his patent description and therefore the example calculations in his patent are misleading. There is even a confirmation that his calculation examples are not according the measurements that are added in his patent.
It looks like he hides a part of his knowledge by simplifying the patent claims, or he is simply not aware.
Let me explain what has to be taken into account as well:

Permeability(mhu) = delta B/delta H
Good example of explanation can be found at Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_%28electromagnetism%29
If you look at the bottom of this Wiki page, there is an example of mhu versus B and H
Mind you that the BH curve used here is that of a 'virgin' core, but suits for the example to understand how mhu and B relate.

Now, take the typical BH curves of each type of metal used in this transformer.
Deriving permeabilty from these B-H curve you can find that depending on H (caused by the current through the coils), B varies non-linear and even saturates.
This means permeability of a core is a variable not a constant: mhu=f(H)=f(B).
An visual examples is given in the figure below.

So, the claimed overunity only occurs at particular current values.
Since sinus shaped input voltage is commonly used, only at (small) parts of these sinus period the condition is created where there is a difference in permeability that causes OU.
These particular situations are depending on the input current, as well as the output current occurring at the very same moment.

I am not saying OU is impossible with this setup, but it requires a very specific driving and loading mechanism to get the most out if this setup.
We may further discuss this if people are interested.

By the way, your English is well understood, so no excuses needed 

[update]
It seems that you propose to use the same material for both cores.
In that case the actual model is a bit simpler fortunately, assuming the magnetic coupling is ideal:
Reluctance ratio is 1:10 -> 1 cm² : (1 cm²+9 cm²)
The ration is a bit less, due to the slight difference in flux path lengths. So, your number on the ratio is correct.
But there is still a difference in flux saturation that has to be taken into account, because both cores will have different B-H curves while having the same coils/currents applied.

The saturation effect is actually an interesting one.
When the 1 cm² core is in an early state of saturation, the 9 cm² core is still in a unsaturated state when the coil winding ratios are 1:1.
The reluctance of a non saturated core is lower than a saturated one.
So, at relative low currents, the reluctance ratio may exceed the 1:10 in this case under the given assumptions.

In practice it will be hard to implement, since effective transformers are made from laminated iron.
With laminated iron effective magnetic coupling is hard to achieve in the Z-plane however.

[gyulasun]

Hi folks, Hi SchubertReijiMaigo, Thank you for the pictorial files and information. I watched thanes latest Bi-toroid video and the only thing I see that may be different is the fact that his central primary coil would tend not to traverse the larger inductance flux paths, otherwise maybe just the fact that your showing larger alternate inductance flux paths may work as well. I'm building a very small test device made from large steel washers, the washers are 1-3/4" od. by 3/4" id. by 1/8" thick. I have one washer with a 24 gauge bifilar coil to use as a self oscillator and glued together three washers to attach to the one primary washer. Here is a cad pic of the setup. Let me know what you folks think.
peace love light
Tyson

Hi Tyson,

I think the biggest problem with the washers to test this setup would be their eddy current losses, unfortunately, even at low frequencies. 

I know that ferrite toroidal cores with a decent OD are expensive and hard to wind them. Thane used such and occasionally he was lucky to get machine winding help from the manufacturer producing the big ferrite rings.

Maybe making isolated soft iron wire ring cores from the so called garden wire you probably have heard of already, such wire cores wound into a multiturn ring shape were used up to in the 20's or 30's as the cores for toroidal mains or even audio frequency transformers and then laminations were to follow them.

A cheaper source for toroidal cores seems to be this link up to 2" or 2.5" OD, but the really big ODs are everywhere more expensive:

http://www.surplussales.com/Inductors/FerToro/FerToro-3.html 

rgds, Gyula