I see an economic diasater coming...

[the_big_m_in_ok]

jadaro2600 said:

It's these types of situations which usher in the idea of a commune.  Not to be distasteful or anything, but the idea of a commune is one that's been utilized for many thousands of years, it's only seen as having been sullied by the idea of communism, which is itself entirely different and larger, more ominous, etc.

Yes, I agree.  Communism is insidious.  I was told by a former acquaintance years ago: "The only communism that works in the world is an Israeli kibbutz."  She had dual Israeli/American citizenship, so she knew.
(I could tell you why, but it has to do with their religion.)
What doesn't work is human nature to be dishonest and greedy.  Right now, nothing concrete, in a financial sense, is being done to mitigate the market meltdown on Wall St. because of human nature.

Think of a prison as a sort of commune, or a church, or even a workplace.  What really defines it? - people sleeping in close quarters, or that which takes place while in one?  Hmm?
Is your workplace a communist one?

Yeah, it is.  I live in a halfway house for homeless Vets in San Francisco.  This is actually, literally a communist setup.  However, the problems that come with being a combat Vet are something that adds stress to the overall situation.  It's not perfect, by any means.

--Lee

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Some interesting insights from an economist's point of view:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails/

Maybe a portent of what big_m is predicting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html

My personal view: Become as self-sufficient as possible, position ourselves to minimize dependency.

There will be a brief respite before we encounter yet another 'collapse', use that time wisely.
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[the_big_m_in_ok]

ATT said:

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Some interesting insights from an economist's point of view:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails/

Good, ATT.  I agree with Minsky.

An American History teacher in high school told my class that, "For the federal government to shoot the right amount of money at the right time into the economy would bring the country out of depression or recession.  The big 'if' is when, where and how much money to spend."

Minsky said about the same thing.  He's got a better handle on it than anyone now or then.

Maybe a portent of what big_m is predicting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html

This computer has a block on that site.  I'll get to another computer later.

My personal view: Become as self-sufficient as possible, position ourselves to minimize dependency.
There will be a brief respite before we encounter yet another 'collapse', use that time wisely.
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Excellent!  Do the best you can.  We may all need as much luck as possible.

Re-edit:
Another take on the subject of business-as-usual:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32875188/ns/business-world_business/
NOTE:
This article may or may not be replaced in the future with fresher news.

--Lee

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This computer has a block on that site.  I'll get to another computer later.

Lee, Hunt down a proxy or an anonymizer (same thing) and you'll get through the ip-block.

I found this somewhat 'telling':
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jolts_20090909/

Do the best you can.  We may all need as much luck as possible.

So true. Regardless of '...plans of mice and men...', ultimately we all need the 'luck' to go with any positioning we attempt.

I wish you well,

Tony

[the_big_m_in_ok]

ATT said:

.Lee, Hunt down a proxy or an anonymizer (same thing) and you'll get through the ip-block.

Sometimes I can GOOGLize another site and get the same information.
Also, I can go borrow a Linux-based CD-R disk that doesn't have a 'Net Nannie' on it and look at anything.

I found this somewhat 'telling':
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jolts_20090909/

Time's about up on this borrowed computer.  I'll look tomorrow.

So true. Regardless of '...plans of mice and men...', ultimately we all need the 'luck' to go with any positioning we attempt.
I wish you well,
Tony

Right.  Thanks.  You, also.

--Lee