BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED

[rlortie]

Ken,

I was not talking about your group in the previous post. Just to make that clear. I won't be revealing anyone by name,

Good policy unless you you have a fraud report to make with substantial backing to prove your statement.

I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email them? I apologize to circle, now that I have more information.

Sorry but I will not reveal names either. Circle contacted me in confidence and my integrity will not betray that trust. If you are or were of the Catholic Faith, went to confession and then found it on tomorrows newspaper headlines, what would you think of the priest.

True, the web sites are for public viewing an all is open to those knowing where to look. But for me to reveal  would be in direct violation of my oath to keep all submitted material confidential. I have already said more than I should have in defense of circle's image being displayed here.

If you wish to blame anyone for circle's lack of response here I would suggest you point your finger at Broli.   

I have decided to build the wheel myself. This does not mean you cannot use my design. If my design and someone else's design is similar, who decides whose design it is?

I assume then that it is alright to borrow from your design providing credit is given where due. The decision is based on mutual agreement between involved parties and a fair judgment of what the percentage of each is utilized.

If someone has a similar design but not the part that causes it to work, does he receive the credit? I am a little confused on your policy. If the parties involved decide to pool their ideas, does that mean both parties are able to see all design aspects of both designs?

If yours works then it yours as it works! If it is used to augment a design making one then yes both parties will see all and collaborate their ideas into one design considered more efficient than either standing alone.

Remember, by PTO laws only the person or persons conceiving the idea can be named inventor/s. Any person building or augmenting the design does not qualify as inventor.

I am not restricting the use of my design, but I also do not want to exclude myself from sharing ideas of others who have viable designs. If the right to my design opens a door to do this then I will take advantage of such a position.

Well stated and you will be given the advantage. First you will have to wait your turn for your design to be put though the analysis process. If it is not a stand alone runner, then you be asked to merge your design with another using the best of both.

It is essential to 'Arrache' policy that all participants involved be recognized. If while building a design and in the process an accidental discovery is found, leading to a completely different idea with no similarity to the design leading to it, the submitter leading to the accident will be recognized.
   

I feel this site has no more use for me and my ideas about the gravity wheel.  Again if you have the websites for circle, please email them or post them.

Sorry ken, first you show sense to know you are not achieving anything here, and then ask me to betray my trust. I cannot give you that which would violate confidential anonymity. You need to spread your wings and find a covey  more interested in your innovative aptitude and less on your 'armchair' social behavior as displayed here.

Yes, I am the kind of guy who will tell you if and when you have bad breath, rather than avoid you! To do this, I have broad shoulders and a reputation built on integrity. Some may not like it but I hold respect for those that look me in the eye and tell it like it is.

Furthermore I do not like it when my text is turned into a hot link for advertising. This in my opinion is carrying commercialism of a so called 'Free Source' forum a bit to far. 

Ralph Lortie
http://www.arrache.org/   

[overtaker]

Ralph,   He is not asking you to betray your trust.

He said:  I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email  them?

I think he is just saying if Circle is sharing his idea, where can he view it. 

[Ken the Great]

Ralph,

If you do not want me to see his websites that is ok.

I also will tell you if you have bad breath. That to me is the only way to be.

I am not interested in getting all wrapped up in the secrecy aspect that seems to surround this. I am into sharing ideas. I would hate to wake up one morning and have to spend time deciding what I can and cannot share.

I tend to shy away from those who secrecy is in the forefront of their personality. Sharing is a 2 way street, and secrecy is contrary to sharing.

I have one use for secrecy and that is when you are giving. Secrecy in giving, in my opinion, is a good use for it.

Secrecy divides. If someone else want to be secretive, that is their choice.
It is not a choice I would make.

Who examines the designs to determine if they are viable?


Have Fun   

[Ken the Great]

overtaker,

Cool you can send me anything you like.


Ken

[rlortie]

Ken,

It is not that I do not want you to see the web sites, its the fact that I promised confidentiality. Frankly I could care less if you found the sites the same way I did. He did not offer them to me.

I am not interested in getting all wrapped up in the secrecy aspect that seems to surround this. I am into sharing ideas. I would hate to wake up one morning and have to spend time deciding what I can and cannot share.

Its a matter of collaboration between a few willing to mind merge and share productive input to achieve a common goal. A lot of members here and elsewhere have years of toil, labor and expense wrapped up in this. We do not feel it is right to just let all climb aboard the band wagon.

I tend to shy away from those who secrecy is in the forefront of their personality. Sharing is a 2 way street, and secrecy is contrary to sharing.

And where do you draw the line, If you wish to share give me your physical address, share your paycheck to give me gas money to get there and the wife and I would be more than happy to share your home with you. You of  course will be expected to pay all utility and overhead expenses.

I have one use for secrecy and that is when you are giving. Secrecy in giving, in my opinion, is a good use for it.

Yes being an anonymous donor does indeed give one a good feeling, but there is a limit as to how far you can extend such gratitude when living on a fixed income.   

Secrecy divides. If someone else want to be secretive, that is their choice.It is not a choice I would make.

Who examines the designs to determine if they are viable?

Unless they are submitted to Alan or James I do the initial analysis. If from experience I find it unfeasible I return it with an explanation emphasizing that it is my opinion. If the submitter cannot except negative input then I and only I take the brunt of it.

If the idea does hold merit and leaves question then it is shared on an as needed basis to the team for farther research and or development. Allan and James do not always know who I am working with no more than I know who they are working with.

Ralph Lortie
http://www.arrache.org/